@barliman2001 Exactly, I have understood it the same way, that it is a "pro trumpet" and that the higher the number, the better and more expensive. I think Yamaha should have 8000 and 9000 models too, but just like you, I don't know much about Yamahas. Thanks for the help anyway.
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If it's not a sheperds crook cornet, most brass players are not interested. Trumpet is a better trumpet. People want SC cornets that are coupled with deep mouthpieces, making a sonic experience that knocks on the door of the flugelhorn office.
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@Bb-Brass Arnold & Sons are also good clones of good Bach pieces... and they ave the additional advantage that they are readily available in Europe (whereas Blessings aren't).
Many professionals have been contracted as Signature Artists - they get paid (sometimes huge sums) to play on a certain manufacturer's horns, and endorse them. Their personal horns are then crafted to whatever specification they prefer. So it may well be that some professionals are playing Committee clones - we just don't know.
True enough. I had the tremendous honor to play a concert with Allen Vizzutti and during rehearsal in which I played my Committee, Allen came over to me to say he really admired that horn and until coming over to being a Yamaha sponsored musician, was playing the Committee.
Till Bronner and I also had the chance to play together and he too shared his admiration for the Committee. He is also a Yamaha sponsored musician.
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PSA: If anybody is using WD-40, or any other kind of penetrating oil on their trumpet....STOP!!!
Please, clean your trumpet thoroughly with dish soap or simple green. Never, ever use these kinds of chemicals on a trumpet. There are more than enough chemicals designed to be used with brass instruments. Not only do these chemicals do weird things to the brass and valves, but they can seriously impact your health.
Just to add a little more context, below is an explanation of each instrument as well as a video I took at a Māori Cultural experience. In the video you will see that many of the participants, both males and females, have extensive facial and body tattoos. This is called “Moko”. An explanation of Moko can be found below the video.
A "pūkāea" is a large, wooden trumpet used by Māori people in New Zealand, known for its use in signaling, both during war and for ceremonial occasions.
Here's a more detailed look:
What it is:
A pūkāea is a wooden trumpet, often made from a split and hollowed length of wood, bound tightly together with vine.
Size:
They can range in size, with some examples reaching up to 2.5 meters (8.2 feet) in length.
Usage:
War: Traditionally used as a loud, dramatic signaling device during times of conflict.
Ceremonial: Also used during times of peace, such as for announcing events and welcoming people.
Agricultural: Used in rituals associated with planting and harvesting crops.
Construction:
The mouthpiece end is called the "kōngutu" and the bell-shaped end is called the "whara".
Sometimes the flared end had wooden pegs added to make it resemble the human throat.
Cultural Significance:
Pūkāea are part of the family of Tāne-mahuta, the Māori deity of the forests and birds.
Other Names:
Sometimes referred to as "war trumpets," but their use extends beyond conflict
The pūtātara is a type of trumpet used by the Māori people of New Zealand. It is customarily made with a carved wooden mouthpiece and a bell made from New Zealand's small native conch shells (Charonia lampas rubicunda) or triton shell (Charonia tritonis).Larger pūtātara were particularly prized as the triton shell was rarely found and only sometimes washed up on the beaches in the Far North. It is often blown in guest welcoming ceremonies.
You will notice in the video that both many men and woman have facial, as well as body tattoos. This is called “Moko”. "Moko" (or Tā Moko) refers to traditional Māori tattooing, a significant cultural practice that signifies prestige, authority, and identity, and often tells the story of the wearer's ancestry and achievements.
Key Aspects of Tā Moko:
Meaning and Purpose:
Moko is a form of body art with deep cultural significance, marking rites of passage and significant life events. It serves as a visual representation of a person's rank, tribe, lineage, occupation, and exploits.
Men and Women:
Traditionally, men had full facial moko, while women often had moko on their chins (moko kauae) and sometimes lips.
Ancient Tradition:
The tradition of Tā Moko has a rich history, with the practice continuing today, though it has seen periods of decline and resurgence.
Motifs and Symbolism:
Each design is unique and carries symbolic meanings, for instance, a koru (native fern) symbolizing new life and growth.
Process:
Moko was traditionally created using tools made of bone or wood and pigments derived from natural sources.
Revival:
There has been a revival of both full-face moko for men and chin tattoos for women in recent decades.
Tā Moko and Kirituhi
Moko has in recent years been divided into two main branches; Tā Moko and Kirituhi. Tā Moko is primarily for those of Māori blood and descent, while Kirituhi is for those of non Maori heritage
I agree that with great players such as Miles, Maynard etc. that the player is the magic, not the horn. The other side is that Maynard's mouthpiece and horn helped him to get what he wanted to easier, just as Miles' setup made his job easier. While this is true, one of Miles' most iconic records, Walkin' was recorded on a borrowed horn from the recording engineer, not his Committee. Maynard played a number of different horns and always delivered big time. I've never been hired because of whatever horn I played at the time 🙂
I'd say pre-owned carol brass is hard to beat on performance to price ratio. Early Elkhart Bachs (prior to 1975) are usually tremendous horns that can be had at a good price too. Connstellations are great if you can get an Elkhart-made horn for under $900.
@Jolter Mutual funds aren't any guarantee of success and one must take a good look at the load before buying. Another thing you have to keep in mind is that trusting professional financial advice is also not without risk....brokerage agents have no legal obligation to act in a fiduciary way. At the same time good advice today is worthless tomorrow. I learned some things about stocks the hard way over the years. Spread your risk by diversification is my mind set and study your choices regularly.....and at base it is still gambling with more favorable odds than a bank CD.
No trumpet is guaranteed to go up in value over time..... but you won't wake up one morning and discover a major drop in value because of embargoes or the latest medical warning saying Martin Committees have been shown to produce cancer in musical chimpanzees, or some major management fraud had been perpetrated to build false trumpet value.
Could we summarize, then, in layman's terms, that the amount of air required doesn't necessarily depend upon what the bore size is but, rather, upon the collective design of the horn which includes a myriad of factors?
In other words, do some horns take "more air", horn-by-horn, depending on how it's constructed rather than on bore size alone?
Exactly this - horn by horn, depending on how it is constructed, how we hear ourselves, the efficiency of the entire body/mind/mouthpiece/trumpet/playing environment system. Even the term "amount of air" is not correct as our bodies have no measure of this except running out before a phrase is finished. We can believe that the horn is a loose blow indoors, we take it out to an open lake and the same system is like blowing into a brick wall!
Over on the oTHer site there is a price question. Some have stated that just because some would pay a higher price for something that is a justified reason to raise the price.
If your product is tops and it’s affordable then why would you raise the price and make it less accessible? Other than greed?
If I can really do something for someone then why should I cash in? Seems if I can make a great horn or pass along a great horn then that is what I should do
Was it the post about Kessler's custom trumpets? If so, I think the poster was misunderstood. It was a compliment about the quality of these trumpets, by suggesting they are being sold for less than their actual value. I don't think it was motivated by greed or anything inappropriate.
See my remarks on cup size. If I recall correctly, I did drool initially, but applying more suction helped eliminate much of the drool that leaked from the cheek, so to speak.
@stumac Phase is not what causes the frequency that we "hear". I find more evidence that the size and taper of the trumpet bell "amplify" frequencies starting in the second octave. An 1300 Hz horn is around 4.8" in diameter at the mouth according to horn theory... This would damp the fundamental which is below cutoff severely.
With such little detail, you'll never know without better pictures. If he only speaks Spanish and is in Texas, he's not playing a 38B. That middle trumpet clearly has 2 braces on the tuning slide and that is not a Conn characteristic on their horns, at least the vintage horns! BEWARE!!! It could be a conn job!!
So, I had my 1966 Silver Flair chemically cleaned, and the results are amazing! Big thank you to Flugelgirl for recommending that I seek out a professional, to have my trumpet chemically cleaned - I'm glad I followed your advice!
The technician that I used was Andrew Clennell, and I couldn't have been happier with the service I received. He's a great guy, and an extremely experienced musician and repairer. I highly recommend his services, if you need any brass instrument cleaned, repaired, or serviced.
@walter-sk Microns separate easy and hard removal. It is still a simple job for a tech but "all your strength" could make the repair very costly.
I have had students with this problem. It can happen if one lays the trumpet down with the 2nd slide underneath. It takes a small hit (no dent) and it is microns out...
