Difference between trumpet and cornet

  • Maybe those ebay offerings that show a cornet and call it a trumpet aren't put in by people who don't know what they are selling......but actually really smart people who are way more intelligent than imagined at first blush. However, the ones showing French horns or trombones and calling them trumpets probably really are idiots.

  • I was thinking, what about the difference between a rotary trumpet and flugelhorn?

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    @Dirk020 I would certainly bow to any rotarians amongst us, but superficially:
    Rotary flugel and piston flugel are very similar; short adjustable length lead pipe straight into valves, then gradual taper all the way to the bell.

    Rotary trumpet has valves positioned the same as flugel, then an "extension lead pipe" connects to the main slide after which the tubing tapers to the bell.

    So a similarity is placement of the valves and a difference is the flugel is tuned at the lead pipe and the trumpet at the main slide.

  • In my world, the difference between a trumpet and cornet are 99% inside the head of the player. Cornet players have a more "intimate" approach. Great cornets allow you to play the 16 repeats that Clarke writes into his technical studies...

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    I think the fact that a cornet bell is closer to the ear makes a big, big difference in the way the player approaches the instrument.

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  • Great discussion and thank you so much as usual Trumpetsplus. BTW the Capri Cornet I bought from you (I believe it was you). Was a superb horn. Ultimately though I drifted to older cornet horns..several conns pre-1912, a 1898 Boosey.Fuchs, a 1916 York. A 50's Committee, Conn 36A and King Master. A actually gave the Capri to a very very accomplished 10th grader. She is in love with the horn!!!

    The pre 40's 50's horns all have the Crook and play very Dark (which I love). The Committee, Conn and King are a bit lighter but have a "better sound/intonation. All time favorite is the Conn 36A Concert Grand. I don't think that It will be possible for me to find a better one. I have played a Strad. The King Master is a close second. My Music teacher likes the Committee and I loaned him my extra. He prefers it over his Strad on a gig where he needs a cornet.

    Curious as to why Cornets kept getting brighter over the century+. Can't be the Shepherds Crook bc the Cpri has that. The 38A, Committee and King do not have the Crook

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    I think the bright cornet sounds might be fading away from the norm again. At least in the brass band setting.
    Most are now back to a larger bore smaller bell and Wick 4. Which gives a very warm sound.
    Even this year’s competition music seems to be focused more on sound and style than moving the fingers at 100 mph
    As for bright sounding cornets....
    I believe it’s because people think there trumpets and pop in a 3c and play just like the trumpet
    Cornet is more style than anything
    And it all depends on what kind of music being played
    No cornet is bright with a Wick 4 plugged in

  • I am scratching memory cobwebs. Very long ago, I experimented with a cornet and trumpet, both were vintage Selmer. Cannot recall which specfic mp's I used. But I recall 2 aspects. [1] By using a specific m/p for each, I could obtain a tone indistinguishable between cornet and trumpet. [2] In obtaining the equal sound, I recall the cornet gave more resistance. For the cornet, the m/p was a bowl shape, rather shallow. For the trumpet, the m/p was a V shape, rather deep.
    ... I am interested to hear other views.

  • I'm not sure how this jibes with some of your experiences, but I added cornets to my band's trumpet section and when we played music that specifically called for cornets, the cornets had a softer, rounder sound than the trumpets, who had a more direct sound.

  • My ear can not detect the difference. A lot depends on the player's styling.

  • @administrator This is a huge factor.

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