Veterans & Military Musicians

@J-Jericho said in You've never heard Kuhlohorn like this:

Dimensions and sound appear quite similar to a flugelhorn, but with a more rounded wrap.

From what I read, the design is based off a flugelhorn.

@barliman2001 said in What is this instrument?! -- Ebay / Internet finds sticky:

@administrator That is not an oddity - these things are still played in many European wind bands when they don't have French horn players...

It seems like it may sound close to a posthorn, or corno da caccia?

It's a real oddity in the USA!

I bought this one too. I guess I like oddities.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250311145325/https://vmcollectables.com/product/horn-gebr-alexander/

This thread is a place for oddities and unknowns. Let's start with this. Wagner tuba, maybe?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/326442597481?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20231107084023%26meid%3D313736a5b5594a1993da64e0385f8d20%26pid%3D101875%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D306153011906%26itm%3D326442597481%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2332490%26algv%3DSimVIDwebV3WithCPCExpansionEmbeddingSearchQuerySemanticBroadMatchSingularityRecall&_trksid=p2332490.c101875.m1851&itmprp=cksum%3A326442597481313736a5b5594a1993da64e0385f8d20|enc%3AAQAKAAABMOqalcCsb07ituDYLOrUrH2eG1DBUcAU1siB%252B881ennut1KqikNJ--C2JmJJYbnGBSq9s1cAaLR3u1P2GFHP6cOkMtiQrPwhnArZTi0NFnCkYNs9wPMPnRY0lLYAH0ZUZMPtZ0GCgtnoK3uWS1%252Fmx5jZ1p9V4CsbwhPUvOa2zarTCvy2j%252B4SgpUIszuL8DedK8pca5bZIzgUZxgwkvo8OjWBythbCxkLQjqAexNWRLF6AnSBrdBwOvEVJ2MLcWoUrx3KeHN0r2r%252Fwyb9oLKJ%252BAHyX2bCbrlTmBz%252FzUZA%252FJu9bb0zyLE3MY8uRCxyqsHZDAVuLrq%252F0D1cOEnLWkejgvQWu1th0Y6kpPukdt21ngCtg8q40qZFVTuqxyz5nQN5DV%252F2l0kaY6WfK41bOOkfAd8%253D|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2332490&itmmeta=01JNSFNNRQDN56NT84CSMQXV62

It's beautiful, I hope you find success.

PSA: If anybody is using WD-40, or any other kind of penetrating oil on their trumpet....STOP!!!

Please, clean your trumpet thoroughly with dish soap or simple green. Never, ever use these kinds of chemicals on a trumpet. There are more than enough chemicals designed to be used with brass instruments. Not only do these chemicals do weird things to the brass and valves, but they can seriously impact your health.

@Anthony-Lenzo

1. Oil floats on water. That makes oiling after playing useless because the bore is covered with condensation. The only oiling that reduces wear is the oiling that prevents two pieces of metal from touching one another.
2. petroleum based oils evaporate mostly within 24 hours making a daily oiling sensible
3. synthetic oils do not evaporate like petroleum based ones, so we really do not need to oil daily. That being said: if we do not brush our teeth really well before playing, the aerosols in our breath will collect and turn the oil to sludge over time. Just adding oil on top of that just makes the sludge thinner.

For valves, I swab the casing every other day and wipe down the valves then when everything is bone dry, reoil. The oil is attached to all moving surfaces and protection is best.

Depending on the make, age and provenance of the horn, a valve job can transform the instrument to even better than new.

@55Yr-Comback
I hope that video answered the questions that you actually asked. But wait--there's more.

In Charlie's demo, he has his jaw set so that his upper and lower teeth are aligned. He also has the mouthpiece centered vertically (50-50) on his lips. That's a good place to start, but it might not work for you.

Some folks play with overbite or (less likely) underbite. Some play 50-50, while others use higher mouthpiece placement or lower placement. Some even offset horizontally. A lot has to do with your oral and dental structure. There's really no right or wrong if it works for you so, unless you have an instructor, you just have to experiment.

Sometime in the future, you may find this website interesting:
https://wilktone.com/?page_id=5619
From that site:

*Where no obvious reason seems to exist for the adoption of any particular method, it is in order to ask “Why?”.

And if the “experts” provide you too readily with an answer, bear in mind that they may not, in fact, have any clearer understanding of how successfully to perform the task than you do yourself.*

@55Yr-Comback said in Proper Embouchure?:

@administrator Thanks! But two questions though.

1st one....After the MMM, do you firm your corners, bring them slightly in toward center firm against you teeth, & then have your lips firm against your teeth & are your lips just slightly touching? And when I say this, I don't mean rigid or in a stiff manner. In other words, if you measured "firm" for doing that on a 1 to 10 scale, it would be at a 3 the most.

2nd question is... after you've placed the mpc, do you put your tongue through your lips to open your lips slightly, or do you let your air stream open them.

Understand I'm not trying to be technical or mechanical. I just want to know if by doing this, it results in an embouchure that's not loose & sloppy. THANKS!!

Caveat: I'm not an instructor or even a very good player, so take this for what it's worth. I was going to opine that you're overthinking it, but then I started overthinking
it, too.

I'll offer up a video by Charlie Porter. After setting the mouthpiece on his closed lips, he consciously pulls them apart just a bit. I didn't think I did that, but it turns out that
I do (unconsciously).

IMHO, if the lips are truly touching without airflow, then adding airflow could allow the creation of a buzz on just the mouthpiece (or visualizer, in the video). If that buzz already exists with the mouthpiece in the horn before the horn itself starts to respond, you get the dirty articulation that Charlie describes. If you've formed a good embouchure on the mouthpiece alone, it should not buzz when you add airflow. But keep blowing while sliding the mouthpiece into the horn and you should get a
nice tone.

Charlie pokes his tongue out to wet his lips, but I don't think that will keep the lips open if the aperture is closed to start with.