Attracting members who are interested in things musical/trumpet

Kehaulani

Unless the composer openly states his/her intent, I am not a mind reader. I don't presume to put thoughts in their heads. As a tool for performance though, if the information is there, any of a composers' thoughts should be helpful.

@Kehaulani said in Attracting members who are interested in things musical/trumpet:

Unless the composer openly states his/her intent, I am not a mind reader. I don't presume to put thoughts in their heads. As a tool for performance though, if the information is there, any of a composers' thoughts should be helpful.

Thanks for the input. Its not the way I approach a piece, but thank you.

Kehaulani

I am reminded of Stravinsky, who's works could be described by some as very moving, surprisingly stating that he does not include emotion or other extraneous stuff in his music.

My reaction to his music is often highly emotional, yet he, himself, states that he uses no emotionalism in his music. Who knows how the mind works? Certainly not un-influenced by nonmusical events.

@Kehaulani said in Attracting members who are interested in things musical/trumpet:

surprisingly stating that he (Stravinsky) does not include emotion or other extraneous stuff in his music.

Stravinsky’s ballet score is an epochal landmark in music. Its French and Russian (Vesna svyashchennaya) titles translate literally as The Coronation Of Spring. Its English title, The Rite Of Spring, lends a suitably chilling dimension, for the scenario is a pagan ritual in which a sacrificial virgin dances herself to death. The work is subtitled Pictures From Pagan Russia.

The idea for the work came to Stravinsky in 1910 when he was composing The Firebird for the impresario Diaghilev and the Ballets Russes. The composer put the project to one side for a year while writing Petrushka, his second successful score for Diaghilev, before immersing himself in The Rite in the summer of 1911. The archaeologist and folklorist Nikolai Roerich was an integral part of the creative process, providing Stravinsky with drawings from scenes of historical rites.
Like I said, thank you much for your help but I think we orbit in different areas. One no better than the other. Just different. I highlighted the areas where imagery and emotion are involved.

manfredv

@SSmith1226 I, like you are a 3 year come back player I originally joined tm for the information and got some great advice. When TB came to be I joined but someone mentioned that they wanted to keep TB for professionals. I'm never going to be a pro and this made me feel unwelcome. Lately I've been getting emails from TB I thought I would check it out again and happen to come across this post and I couldn't agree with you more. Well said.

SSmith1226

@manfredv said in Attracting members who are interested in things musical/trumpet:

I've been getting emails from TB I thought I would check it out again and happen to come across this post and I couldn't agree with you more. Well said.

Thank you! I’ve been a member of this site for one year and two months. You are the first person to agree with me about anything. I really appreciate it and I personally welcome you back!!!

Kehaulani

@Dr-Mark said in Attracting members who are interested in things musical/trumpet:

@Kehaulani said in Attracting members who are interested in things musical/trumpet:

surprisingly stating that he (Stravinsky) does not include emotion or other extraneous stuff in his music.

Stravinsky’s ballet score is an epochal landmark in music. Its French and Russian (Vesna svyashchennaya) titles translate literally as The Coronation Of Spring. Its English title, The Rite Of Spring, lends a suitably chilling dimension, for the scenario is a pagan ritual in which a sacrificial virgin dances herself to death. The work is subtitled Pictures From Pagan Russia.

The idea for the work came to Stravinsky in 1910 when he was composing The Firebird for the impresario Diaghilev and the Ballets Russes. The composer put the project to one side for a year while writing Petrushka, his second successful score for Diaghilev, before immersing himself in The Rite in the summer of 1911. The archaeologist and folklorist Nikolai Roerich was an integral part of the creative process, providing Stravinsky with drawings from scenes of historical rites.
Like I said, thank you much for your help but I think we orbit in different areas. One no better than the other. Just different. I highlighted the areas where imagery and emotion are involved.

Are we in parallel universes, Dr. Mark? There's not one thing in your post with which I disagree.

manfredv

@SSmith1226 Thanks much appreciated!

J. Jericho

@SSmith1226 said in Attracting members who are interested in things musical/trumpet:

@manfredv said in Attracting members who are interested in things musical/trumpet:

I've been getting emails from TB I thought I would check it out again and happen to come across this post and I couldn't agree with you more. Well said.

Thank you! I’ve been a member of this site for one year and two months. You are the first person to agree with me about anything. I really appreciate it and I personally welcome you back!!!

I disagree! Uh... wait a minute... what I meant was... uh....

It's already been over a year. How about that? Time flies.

djeffers78

Maybe this site is already more trumpet and musical geared than once thought.
It’s still a small site with small numbers of membership. New blood would be interesting for sure
Something that made TM look so big to me was the constant talk of gear. A lot of that goes on at TH too. Which may be a big draw since a lot of musicians seem to be gear heads.
I always read the forums for new ideas. I also come to look at gear reviews. I know all the reviews are personal opinions but there’s some real info in the threads collectively
I tend not to post unless I feel I’ve a good question or something helpful to say.
I also only stumbled upon all three sites because of the equipment discussions, so maybe there needs to be more of that.
Maybe a thread could be started where we all can just review or gear, then keywords like brand names will lead searches here. Not just review pro gear either but student and TSO’s should also be mentioned.

ROWUK

This is not an opportunity for me to rant, but here would be a shortlist of things that would make things more enjoyable in my opinion:

Threads that stay on topic - splitting threads when they get off topic.
an end to the "class clown" posts in many threads. I do not get the humor.
Method/process instead of opinion - thinking and posting about how we got to a decision is more important to me than throwing up on the music stand!
The ability to criticize without starting a war. I really believe in challenging beliefs (even my own).
I often get the feeling that certain members should be asking questions instead of making statements. It is hard to put that in print without dropping a bomb.

I would like to see some true "in thread tutorship". Maybe even restricted to 2 people! That requires a willing, thoughtful student and a teacher with their heart in the right place. When someone comes here to visit and 10 people pile on (many perhaps not even qualified), it is overwhelming. At TrumpetMaster, several of us did this by PM to keep the Riff-Raff out.

Serious pimping of trumpets (not eye candy) is something that we occasionally get to see - but without objective reviews (except for Ivan).

OldSchoolEuph

I seem to recall posting a long list of thread starters in response to Kehaulani's last post like this. Several commented on the depth of the list, hit like, etc. - no one actually started a single thread though. . . .

Content attracts interest, which attracts members, who add content. This site needs some kindling to get the fire started though.

OldSchoolEuph

@Kehaulani said in Attracting members who are interested in things musical/trumpet:

Unless the composer openly states his/her intent, I am not a mind reader. I don't presume to put thoughts in their heads. As a tool for performance though, if the information is there, any of a composers' thoughts should be helpful.

What about when the intent is not stated, but the composer's unique mindset is well documented?

I would ask as case in point, and as like me you are old enough to have potentially played it both ways: what is the appropriate tonal/color approach to the glorious brass fanfares of Tchaikovsky's 4th? Is it the bright and strident 1970s psuedo-starwars/LSO sound, or is it the dark, overwhelmingly massive, Wagnerian sound preferred by some?

(with option of viola-leveling trombones in either case)

I know which I pick, based on the composer's state of mind, but I also know which has been more prevalent historically. What do you say?

Kehaulani

Not dodging the answer, but wouldn't this be a topic for another thread, both to narrow content and to call attention it, rather than burying it in a thread with a title that some people, by now, wouldn't even open?

Dale Proctor

I tend to gravitate toward equipment-related discussions. Things like the history of valved instruments, differences in design, types of valves, materials used in construction, the effects of modifications, the story of various makers, etc.

There doesn’t seem to be a lot of interest in that sort of stuff around here yet, but I jump in when I can. I’ve started a few threads (as myself and earlier as Bob Pixley) in a couple of the vintage areas with little to no comments, so maybe I need to work on my presentation a bit and/or try a different angle.

Dr GO

I suggest we get this guy to lead a Professionals Section to TB:

https://www.facebook.com/trumpetlovers/videos/1136111926756159

I agree with adding a section for the reviews of not only new but older trumpets and cornets.

Also the differences between student, intermediate and professional trumpets or cornets. What trumpets or cornets to avoid.

Also a section on basic maintainence of a trumpet: cleaning, adding valve oil, slide grease, replacing springs, valve guides.

I look daily at trumpet board, trumpetherald and trumpetforum.

I am not a semi professional or professional musician. Although I don't read all the various sections. I have learned and appreciate the valuable information on this blog.

OldSchoolEuph

OK, I just added a basic content thread - company timelines. Lets see who adds to it. I only covered 4 makers - there's a lot more out there.

OldSchoolEuph

I'm nudging this thread again in light of recent unfortunate events.

The thread regarding the merits of investing in grad school is exactly the sort of content that this site needs to be of value to a broader community. Unfortunately, it devolved into something regrettable. I would have liked to make some counter points to the excellent first opinion that had been offered there, but another had taken a view in the opposite direction from my own and proceeded in a manner that is certainly contrary to the intent of this thread here (well, unless looking to attract Springer fans).

Now it is locked, and thus an opportunity missed - unless, with the offending party no longer participating, perhaps it could be either unlocked or restarted ?????

Dr GO

@OldSchoolEuph said in Attracting members who are interested in things musical/trumpet:

I'm nudging this thread again in light of recent unfortunate events.

The thread regarding the merits of investing in grad school is exactly the sort of content that this site needs to be of value to a broader community. Unfortunately, it devolved into something regrettable. I would have liked to make some counter points to the excellent first opinion that had been offered there, but another had taken a view in the opposite direction from my own and proceeded in a manner that is certainly contrary to the intent of this thread here (well, unless looking to attract Springer fans).

Now it is locked, and thus an opportunity missed - unless, with the offending party no longer participating, perhaps it could be either unlocked or restarted ?????

Agreed. It was a great discussion topic. The person starting it was unfairly targeted and now that the arrow has been spent, so to speak, perhaps we can get that discussion back on target!