Posts made by ROWUK

@furcifer we do not, or did not disagree.
As far as getting market share, there are a lot of factors involved - many having nothing to do with quality.
I still maintain that a "vintage" trumpet is not necessarily a good choice for someone in high school - unless someone can responsibly confirm intonation, valve condition and playability beforehand.

My first instrument was a 1911 Holton Long Cornet that I inherited from my grandfather in the late '60s. He used spit and water instead of valve oil and the condition of the valves certainly were a "problem". I was lucky and had a trumpet playing music teacher that worked with my parents to get me another horn in excellent playing condition. It was like pulling the cork out! Now 50+ years later, I am still performing professionally (with other horns). With the playing handicap of the old horn, who knows what I would be doing today.

The human state is a huge shoebox full of single entities. The process for learning is to emulate first and then through the coordination of things collected in the shoebox, we get a result.
I would offer that the "beginning" jazz trumpeter with a "classical" mindset needs building blocks and structure to get started. Scales and chords should be memorized. Then Aebersol is much less daunting.

The next step is to fill that shoebox with melodies - memorized. Any of the fakebooks are great for standards! They also provide snippets of structure that help us keep from getting lost

@barliman2001 My take is that the body talks to us - and we make decisions based on what we heard and understood. Soft, slow, easy repetitions, long tones without articulation in the beginning - just exhale into the horn and let come what comes. Do this for a couple of days. If your body does not complain, add articulation. Avoid anything with compression.

@barliman2001 I certainly agree with keeping politics out. The line quickly becomes fuzzy and the opinions are affected by global warming. There is a lot that the "average westerner" or "easterner" does not know and the online"pick your subject matter" experts now have swung over to "eastern Europe" politics - where they have equal brainlessness.
I can only recommend NOT using asocial media as a primary source to build an opinion. Try some real research in history first.

Offering an arrangement for free that applies to a current world "event"/"situation" is admirable in my eyes. Musicians have always supported peace and understanding - unless you were the lead trumpet in the Buddy Rich Big Band...

That all being said, we will be welcoming a refugee family in our home shortly. Civilians deserve the right of pursuit of happiness and bullets make that tough. I hope that they like trumpet instead...

@administrator Not if we wait 20-30 seconds after letting the balloon deflate.

If you blow up simple party balloons for 10 minutes a day, your lung capacity increases dramatically. Blow them up slowly (20-30 seconds) as large as possible with one breath, release the air, wait 20-30 seconds, repeat. DO NOT TRY TO DECREASE THE TIME THAT YOU USE TO FILL UP. The goal is a bigger balloon, not more repetitions! Stop if you feel dizziness coming on. We train good habits by NOT APPLYING FORCE.

The next step for advanced practitioners is then to blow up hot water bottles.

@dr-go The floor as a stand creates the greatest distance and strain for the back. Only recommended in combination with Yoga.

@mike-ansberry I am not sure that the Getzen will ever be one of those "rare finds" that command top dollar. If the hook is professionally attached, all traces can be removed during a restoration. I would go for it!

If the pictures really represented the horn, a buyer backing out is pretty lame. I think that it is a buyers market for a 2B and the condition (including the valves) would have to be exceptional to get much more than $300. Without knowing what other issues the horn has, I would suspect that investing will not match the returns.

@furcifer I am not sure that Bach Snob is really a valid generalization. Most of the trumpeters that I know and have known, play what they play and certainly NEVER picked their horn for snobbish reasons. There is a reason that Bach is popular - it simply sounds good. Great core and blend. Easy to play (well most of the Bb are) and their reputation is built on that sound. There was a time when almost nothing else was found in the major symphony orchestras. Players that trained the current generation of top teachers - many of which have switched to Yamaha. Fast forward 30 years and we now see that Yamaha in fact has taken the lead - in student, intermediate and pro trumpets. Schilke has jumped on the same bandwagon - with the HD model. The B&S Challenger series also shares a similar core sound.

My point was that a vintage trumpet is not necessarily a good choice for someone in high school and that a generally accepted "standard" type instrument is a better base instrument. Certainly Bach has withstood the test of time (including hard times) - can we say that about the defunct Martin corporation? What happened to Holton, Buescher, Conn and Olds? Where are Selmer Trumpets today? They did not die because of snobbery.

I am a professional in Europe where Bach is generally not the instrument of choice. My main piston axe is a Monette Raja C trumpet, my second most used piston axe is a Bach C trumpet that I bought in 1975. I play far more rotary and valveless instruments however. Still, in the best interest of a student, we do need to consider things, even if we ourselves have the freedom to do other things.

My advice would be to FORGET VINTAGE TRUMPETS at your stage of development. Generally, we need a primary instrument that blends well, is in tune and has an easy blow. Vintage trumpets mostly sound different, might not even be optimally in tune (many were built for a lower pitch than common for today) and could even be an issue for getting into ensembles. In addition, old trumpets are exactly that - old and unless they have been fully restored, you may have mechanical issues.

You will do yourself a great favor by saving up and getting one of the more "standard" models: Yamaha 6xxx, B&S Challenger, Jupiter, Bach 180, Getzen 900. You will be rewarded with an instrument that will not be in the way later in your "career". The problem is that players get passed over because of their instruments not "blending" - without anyone telling them. I have a Bach C trumpet for ensembles that "prefer" that standard sound - even although it is not my favorite instrument. I would rather keep the gig instead of "proving a point" where only I lose.

That being said, once you have a solid every day "go to" instrument, additional horns can increase the available colors. If you are into jazz, there is more room for "individuality" after you have found your own voice

@vulgano-brother Intonation issues can have hundreds of reasons (like the parts simply not working together). In the modification of my Bach 229 CL, I found a lot of things.

1. the position of the bell braces "lock" the various slots in, The G and C in the staff seem to be most affected by the bell brace closest to the mouthpiece. Strong slots will make the instrument harder to play. I suggest trying to move that brace closer to the valve block (or just removing it for testing).
2. I use a heavier bottom valve cap on valve 3. That stabilized a lot of things
3. the receiver/mouthpiece gap did not change the intonation, but it did improve my feeling of being connected to the horn. My artisan had a mouthpiece shank shaped tool and he inserted and tapped with a hammer. I suspect that this compressed the brass slightly and let the mouthpiece be inserted more deeply and firmly.
4. Round tuning slides never worked for me. I tried ovate, D shapes and round ones with the D shape having the most "core", the "ovate" having the most colors, and round neither.
5. I also discovered that at least with the Bach, it was beneficial for intonation to have a slightly smaller bore where the bell meets the valve block. I accomplished this by making a tuning bell. The braces are permanently attached to the bell, and use adjustable slides on the leadpipe (like with adjustable 3rd slide finger rings)

Looking at your horn, I get the impression that the round tuning slide is cylindrical. That makes the leadpipe VERY short. On the short horns, I think that a tapered tuning slide could be beneficial. Even better would probably be to use a cornet as the base for a D trumpet. The Eb cornets that I have played generally have better intonation than the Eb trumpets.

I suspect that although the instrument is well put together, the R&D to balance everything out is missing. My Selmer Radial2° D/Eb only has the 4th space E and Eb way too low. I have had the horn since 1975 and just have never gotten around to doing anything with it. I will one day.

There is NEVER a best or worst, just a juggling of compromise. As I play all of my instruments, they get the best "playing" maintenance. I don't care if some collector devalues anything - if I ever gave up an instrument, only a serious player would get it.

Wallace Music store is just that - a music store that had instruments made with their logo.
Here is a link to a Buescher trombone also with the engraving:
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-buescher-trombone-wallace-154935381

Her a Horn-U-Copia link:
https://www.horn-u-copia.net/Reference/display.php?thisrec=842

Here a link to Wallace Music House charged for copyright infringement with fake books:
https://books.google.de/books?id=JjEaqP4ZFI4C&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq="Wallace+Music+House"+Chicago&source=bl&ots=xfGb3vY-Gl&sig=ACfU3U27bJJUyLW1MxFjW4Vk5RW85491hQ&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjm8s3m0rP1AhVNgf0HHUYOA4kQ6AF6BAgjEAM#v=onepage&q="Wallace Music House" Chicago&f=false

Bugle link:
https://emuseum.nmmusd.org/objects/13513/fanfare-trumpet-g-f

Hmm, I probably shouldn't answer, but the original post struck me in a way that I can't let go of easily.

I don't think that ANYONE OWES ANYONE ELSE ANYTHING. Posters that come on with how they have been given a rough time are very suspicious in my book. The second "telltale" tidbit in this thread is the mention of low funds being a reason to call fair repair rates "outrageous" or even the myth of those "outrageous" prices driving us to DIY.

Skilled veterans NEVER treat musicians in need with "contempt" (their may be other types of non-customers that rub them in a way that generates less cooperation however! As a matter of fact, the seasoned veterans (at least all that I know) are usually very willing to help the needy in special ways.

My drive to DIY is based only on my personal interest about how things work and none of my techs have heartburn about it.

Now if we can get beyond the very bogus "contempt" for those making an honest living, there are a lot of resources available for the DIY trumpeter. I took a natural trumpet building course that lasted 5 days. We had three professionals showing us (13 course members) their "tricks of the trade", from soldering to brazing, to making tubes and bells, hand hammering, bending our self made tubes and engraving. In addition, we all had successfully built a working trumpet after 4 days.

The artisans that I work with are very responsive when I ask "Can you show me how to do that". I have learned how to properly change leadpipes, set the gap on a mouthpiece receiver and what happens when we move a brace. They have helped me to purchase the right tools for specific jobs. They have all let me in on "secret tweeks" - knowing that I would not abuse the information.

I know of no website with trumpet repair tips for the DIY scene. The reasons are manifold. No respect, strong differences in the definition of "quality", myths.

So, my recommendation is to look in the mirror. Maybe, just maybe you will see something that could change your relationship with the professionally qualified. My firsthand experience is that they are much more forthcoming than the way you came on in your original post.

I will be visiting in the not too distant future. I'll call first

The "general quality" of Martin trumpets in 2021/2022 is that they are very, very old and have no general quality. There are well maintained and restored ones and essentially hopeless cases with everything in between.

That all being said, in 2021, the market "knows" that these are sought after instruments and command a premium price regardless of the true playing condition. I can only recommend to play before you pay.

I have played several - including some very, very good ones, but none of them screamed "buy me" and I do not regret never having owned one. There are many other instruments that I would prefer to own. I like to think that this says more about me than about very good Martin instruments.

@kehaulani I agree that his "jazz" was often not very "state of the art". I would also maintain that he did not do his reputation justice by playing publicly after "reaching his prime".
Still, he influenced more trumpeters (positively) probably than any other trumpeter ever.

In spite of stylistic issues, there is always something important that we can learn by listening to his recordings. I continue to benefit with every listen!

@sessionaire Just contact Dave Monette. Just talk to him. Maybe you do not even need a doctor. Maybe he even knows someone in your area that could take a completely different view of the issue. https://www.davemonette.com

Jennifer Montone - solo horn with the Philadelphia Orchestra was in a car accident and damage to the hips immobilized her embouchure - no, not spine damage. Your root problem may have nothing to do with these serious symptoms. You may also want to watch this carefully:

I am certainly NOT for Botox. If a proper doctor has looked at you and there have been ultrasound/CRT/MRT whatever pictures taken to insure that the muscle tissue is properly attached at both sides, I would recommend calling Dave Monette. No, not for a new mouthpiece or trumpet, rather for his advice as a CST/Feldenkrais/yoga practitioner. We screw our bodies up in thousands of small steps and I believe the path back (barring serious physical damage) is also with small steps. I do not believe that "brute force" massages are the solution, although they can sometimes result in temporary relief.
I have helped people back to playing and speaking after strokes, and after an accident that has now resulted in full dentures for me, have also found my way back.
The small steps approach may sound esoteric, but I assure you, it is not.