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My advice would be to FORGET VINTAGE TRUMPETS at your stage of development. Generally, we need a primary instrument that blends well, is in tune and has an easy blow. Vintage trumpets mostly sound different, might not even be optimally in tune (many were built for a lower pitch than common for today) and could even be an issue for getting into ensembles. In addition, old trumpets are exactly that - old and unless they have been fully restored, you may have mechanical issues.

You will do yourself a great favor by saving up and getting one of the more "standard" models: Yamaha 6xxx, B&S Challenger, Jupiter, Bach 180, Getzen 900. You will be rewarded with an instrument that will not be in the way later in your "career". The problem is that players get passed over because of their instruments not "blending" - without anyone telling them. I have a Bach C trumpet for ensembles that "prefer" that standard sound - even although it is not my favorite instrument. I would rather keep the gig instead of "proving a point" where only I lose.

That being said, once you have a solid every day "go to" instrument, additional horns can increase the available colors. If you are into jazz, there is more room for "individuality" after you have found your own voice

@vulgano-brother Intonation issues can have hundreds of reasons (like the parts simply not working together). In the modification of my Bach 229 CL, I found a lot of things.

1. the position of the bell braces "lock" the various slots in, The G and C in the staff seem to be most affected by the bell brace closest to the mouthpiece. Strong slots will make the instrument harder to play. I suggest trying to move that brace closer to the valve block (or just removing it for testing).
2. I use a heavier bottom valve cap on valve 3. That stabilized a lot of things
3. the receiver/mouthpiece gap did not change the intonation, but it did improve my feeling of being connected to the horn. My artisan had a mouthpiece shank shaped tool and he inserted and tapped with a hammer. I suspect that this compressed the brass slightly and let the mouthpiece be inserted more deeply and firmly.
4. Round tuning slides never worked for me. I tried ovate, D shapes and round ones with the D shape having the most "core", the "ovate" having the most colors, and round neither.
5. I also discovered that at least with the Bach, it was beneficial for intonation to have a slightly smaller bore where the bell meets the valve block. I accomplished this by making a tuning bell. The braces are permanently attached to the bell, and use adjustable slides on the leadpipe (like with adjustable 3rd slide finger rings)

Looking at your horn, I get the impression that the round tuning slide is cylindrical. That makes the leadpipe VERY short. On the short horns, I think that a tapered tuning slide could be beneficial. Even better would probably be to use a cornet as the base for a D trumpet. The Eb cornets that I have played generally have better intonation than the Eb trumpets.

I suspect that although the instrument is well put together, the R&D to balance everything out is missing. My Selmer Radial2° D/Eb only has the 4th space E and Eb way too low. I have had the horn since 1975 and just have never gotten around to doing anything with it. I will one day.

There is NEVER a best or worst, just a juggling of compromise. As I play all of my instruments, they get the best "playing" maintenance. I don't care if some collector devalues anything - if I ever gave up an instrument, only a serious player would get it.

Wallace Music store is just that - a music store that had instruments made with their logo.
Here is a link to a Buescher trombone also with the engraving:
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-buescher-trombone-wallace-154935381

Her a Horn-U-Copia link:
https://www.horn-u-copia.net/Reference/display.php?thisrec=842

Here a link to Wallace Music House charged for copyright infringement with fake books:
https://books.google.de/books?id=JjEaqP4ZFI4C&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq="Wallace+Music+House"+Chicago&source=bl&ots=xfGb3vY-Gl&sig=ACfU3U27bJJUyLW1MxFjW4Vk5RW85491hQ&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjm8s3m0rP1AhVNgf0HHUYOA4kQ6AF6BAgjEAM#v=onepage&q="Wallace Music House" Chicago&f=false

Bugle link:
https://emuseum.nmmusd.org/objects/13513/fanfare-trumpet-g-f

Hmm, I probably shouldn't answer, but the original post struck me in a way that I can't let go of easily.

I don't think that ANYONE OWES ANYONE ELSE ANYTHING. Posters that come on with how they have been given a rough time are very suspicious in my book. The second "telltale" tidbit in this thread is the mention of low funds being a reason to call fair repair rates "outrageous" or even the myth of those "outrageous" prices driving us to DIY.

Skilled veterans NEVER treat musicians in need with "contempt" (their may be other types of non-customers that rub them in a way that generates less cooperation however! As a matter of fact, the seasoned veterans (at least all that I know) are usually very willing to help the needy in special ways.

My drive to DIY is based only on my personal interest about how things work and none of my techs have heartburn about it.

Now if we can get beyond the very bogus "contempt" for those making an honest living, there are a lot of resources available for the DIY trumpeter. I took a natural trumpet building course that lasted 5 days. We had three professionals showing us (13 course members) their "tricks of the trade", from soldering to brazing, to making tubes and bells, hand hammering, bending our self made tubes and engraving. In addition, we all had successfully built a working trumpet after 4 days.

The artisans that I work with are very responsive when I ask "Can you show me how to do that". I have learned how to properly change leadpipes, set the gap on a mouthpiece receiver and what happens when we move a brace. They have helped me to purchase the right tools for specific jobs. They have all let me in on "secret tweeks" - knowing that I would not abuse the information.

I know of no website with trumpet repair tips for the DIY scene. The reasons are manifold. No respect, strong differences in the definition of "quality", myths.

So, my recommendation is to look in the mirror. Maybe, just maybe you will see something that could change your relationship with the professionally qualified. My firsthand experience is that they are much more forthcoming than the way you came on in your original post.

I will be visiting in the not too distant future. I'll call first

The "general quality" of Martin trumpets in 2021/2022 is that they are very, very old and have no general quality. There are well maintained and restored ones and essentially hopeless cases with everything in between.

That all being said, in 2021, the market "knows" that these are sought after instruments and command a premium price regardless of the true playing condition. I can only recommend to play before you pay.

I have played several - including some very, very good ones, but none of them screamed "buy me" and I do not regret never having owned one. There are many other instruments that I would prefer to own. I like to think that this says more about me than about very good Martin instruments.

@kehaulani I agree that his "jazz" was often not very "state of the art". I would also maintain that he did not do his reputation justice by playing publicly after "reaching his prime".
Still, he influenced more trumpeters (positively) probably than any other trumpeter ever.

In spite of stylistic issues, there is always something important that we can learn by listening to his recordings. I continue to benefit with every listen!

@sessionaire Just contact Dave Monette. Just talk to him. Maybe you do not even need a doctor. Maybe he even knows someone in your area that could take a completely different view of the issue. https://www.davemonette.com

Jennifer Montone - solo horn with the Philadelphia Orchestra was in a car accident and damage to the hips immobilized her embouchure - no, not spine damage. Your root problem may have nothing to do with these serious symptoms. You may also want to watch this carefully:

I am certainly NOT for Botox. If a proper doctor has looked at you and there have been ultrasound/CRT/MRT whatever pictures taken to insure that the muscle tissue is properly attached at both sides, I would recommend calling Dave Monette. No, not for a new mouthpiece or trumpet, rather for his advice as a CST/Feldenkrais/yoga practitioner. We screw our bodies up in thousands of small steps and I believe the path back (barring serious physical damage) is also with small steps. I do not believe that "brute force" massages are the solution, although they can sometimes result in temporary relief.
I have helped people back to playing and speaking after strokes, and after an accident that has now resulted in full dentures for me, have also found my way back.
The small steps approach may sound esoteric, but I assure you, it is not.

Based on an instrument that they built for Joe Alessi. Hmmm. Aren't all trombones (even the el cheapo ones) based on some great
instrument? When I read marketing trash like this, I wonder why they do not build that exact model. With todays material science and still available "old world" manufacturing skills, it is certainly possible!

@j-jericho Yes, there are means to go around blocked sites. The problem is that the "free" VPNs are serious security risks. Even although I use a Mac with all of the proper security tools, after using one of those VPNs, strange porn sites can pop up in the browser.
For a Buescher that I am not going to buy, not worth it. For the seller, limiting their market and possibly better selling prices.

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Our central nervous system is a very fickle thing. It can remember things that we did decades before and can "store" "rewards" for things that we have done. There are many schools of thought on how to deal with these hard wired reactions. Some recommend seeing a shrink, others start yoga class or Alexander Technique lessons. Others (like myself) find a Feldenkrais or a Cranio Sacral therapist. This method actually deals with helping us get a new inner organisation. The therapy is very gentle and everyone that I know that has taken it seriously has reaped large benefits.

In your case, you did the right thing first: checked for physical damage. Now I would recommend going to https://www.davemonette.com (no, I am not trying to sell a mouthpiece or trumpet - and he will not either). Click around the site and see if anything rings. If yes, then click on "Contact" and write a short description of your situation. Then either call or wait for an answer. You can also google Moshe Feldenkrais if you want to know more about some of the background

I am convinced that this is a very good way to get over this. There are no painful massages or physical rehab punishment. Normally, we notice "improvement" right away but many times, we need more time to get out heads around what is going on. Dave is very in tune with brass players. He is very to the point about the way things work in his world. You can write if you have more questions, I will be on the road this week on a business trip so I will not be monitoring 24/7.

@walter-sk Microns separate easy and hard removal. It is still a simple job for a tech but "all your strength" could make the repair very costly.
I have had students with this problem. It can happen if one lays the trumpet down with the 2nd slide underneath. It takes a small hit (no dent) and it is microns out...

Anything with Sara Niemietz!

Training wheels/ breath marks. Sounds like fightin‘ words!
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Measures on a tank of air? Equally juvenile.

We have to inhale in a way that lets us exhale without having to release „compression“ or „expansion“ muscle tension first. One of the major flaws in tanking up for maximum measures is that we create tension that we have no routine to remove musically for.
Yes, we can expand breathing capacity. That involves an organized, prepared body, no brute force!

Sara Niemietz with Snuffy Waldon or Post Modern Jukebox. This lady has so much fun singing, it is contagious. Inspirational!

The safest place to cut a trumpet is where the bell enters the valve block. Cutting it at the tuning slide can make for some wacky intonation.

@_mark_
I believe that you are not in any position to comment on anything except the symptoms that you notice. Trying to "analyse" the issue with no base knowledge just leads to useless hardware and embouchure changes.
Irregular teeth are no issue unless you learned to play on perfect teeth and then they got messed up in an accident (ask me how I know).
Moving the mouthpiece around is poison and where exactly it is, is certainly not a problem for getting started and playing up to G on top of the staff. My experience is that a proper daily routine promotes evolution - not revolution. Embouchure is fine motor activity, not building a six pack. Low impact repetitions! Lipslurs, longtones!

I am sure that multiphonics can be generated with a combination of lips and humming/singing or only with a weak embouchure. The mouthpiece in the "wrong place" would not be the cause of the double buzz, rather simple weak chops from lack of constructive practice.