Posts made by OldSchoolEuph

@Dr-GO
Wow, I'm impressed by the salesmanship that gets venues to sign this EBQ contract.

It does not designate length of performance (set lengths, number of sets, end time, or any other elements that would allow determining this). By signing, the buyer explicitly agrees that they receive the services to which they are entitled - obviously well in advance of actual delivery (if). The venue has no recourse for damages in the event illness prevents EBQ from performing - most I have known want the equal of the deposit they pay up front (in addition to that refund) as damages (of course, the odd format of Section 8 shows that while deposit used to be part of this, there is none - an unusual risk for the ensemble).

Says a lot about the excellent reputation of the group that it can book under these terms.

@Newell-Post said in Anybody master the 1-3, 2-4 trill?:

Not sure I understand the question, since I never play 4-valve horns. But isn't 2-4 the same thing as 1-2-3?

Ditto

A 1+3 to 2+4 trill is just a second valve trill with 4th down

@Niner said in Reasons to collect trumpets?:

Thanks for posting that. I didn't know such an event ever existed. That Tapps solo on that vintage cornet is the best I ever remember hearing. Made me think of From Here to Eternity.

Jeff Stockham plays the Taps solo in both videos.

At Conn's grave site in the Elkhart video, the Conn cornet used has been in Jeff's family for generations. Also in the Elkhart video, the unusual Conn cornet Jeff plays at the Conn mansion was one that the present owners were lucky enough to re-unite with the house. It had belonged to Conn and was left behind in the divorce, then preserved by a neighbor family for decades.

@Kehaulani said in Mariachi trumpet:

Just an aside - where in the evolution of Conns does the Conn 6B fall into place with the Connstellation 38B? Predecessor, successor or contemporaneously.

Produced concurrently, starting in 1955. My guess would be that the 38B was the high-end version of a more budget-friendly 6B. (pro vs intermediate conceptually I suppose)

Because if you take it seriously, and you are very lucky, maybe you get to do this

Of course as I learned at the first of these, you better be able to sight read in Db & Gb a lot, so I was incredibly grateful to Steve Ward who let me play on his mid-1850s Allen baritone in the second video there. Not only was it helpful to be back in bass clef, but that horn reset our understanding of when the most common form of rotary valve action (side lever) came into being - its the oldest known example. Despite being made just a decade after the first rotary valve, having a bell with sack-but like taper and Allen valves with tiny slits for ports, that horn really sings.

@Bob-Pixley said in King Liberty:

@Niner said in King Liberty:

The King Mini Liberty Trumpet was the most rare. Only a hundred were produced as rewards to various people ...probably dealers mostly. But..... apparently they worked like the real one...except for the sound. When this video starts off it sounds more like a clarinet.

I saw one of those on display in a music store in St. Louis years ago. I did get to hold it, but didn't get to play it. It's basically a not-so-good Bb piccolo trumpet. Hey, I know Jeff Stockham, too. He's a fantastic trumpet, cornet, keyed bugle, and french horn player.

Its only a few seconds, but 28 seconds into this video you can here Jeff playing that mini in a classical style - actually a half-way decent picc sound I thought.

@mrhappy said in King Liberty:

@OldSchoolEuph said in King Liberty:

There were 4 versions of King Liberty:
Original King Liberty - shown in Niner's pic.(came as both a HP/LP or the LP version later settled on)
King Liberty #2 - this is the one with the art deco brace
King Liberty 2B - Pretty standard looking trumpet with a single radius slide originally
King Liberty 3B - a larger bore version of the 2B with several other tweaks as well

Don't forget King Liberty #2.5 - With the brace that looks more like a 'Pi' sign... kind of a fat version of the #1 brace.

Well, if we get into design refreshes and options, there are half a dozen for the original plus the mini, then the #2 had two refreshes I can think of off hand plus a number of options, the 2B had at least 4 variations. Only the 3B seems to have been short lived enough to not change at all.

You gentlemen are making me regret my recent post about frustration.

@administrator
That's unusual - perhaps someone had buffed half the bell thickness away? (leaks more highs back to your ears that way - often doesn't change the timbre out front all that much)

A classic peashooter is generally thought of as a trumpet with a very tight wrap, a small bore, and a length in the 21" to 23" range. Other examples would be horns such as the Holton Streamline, Conn 58B, and Martin Troubador

There were 4 versions of King Liberty:
Original King Liberty - shown in Niner's pic.(came as both a HP/LP or the LP version later settled on)
King Liberty #2 - this is the one with the art deco brace
King Liberty 2B - Pretty standard looking trumpet with a single radius slide originally
King Liberty 3B - a larger bore version of the 2B with several other tweaks as well

None were peashooters. I would only use the first version in a modern setting today though, or maybe a Liberty #2 Silvertone in certain special applications.

HN White only made 2 real peashooters:
Cleveland Model 600 Greyhound
American Standard Student Prince

Pics, dates, bores, etc for all can be found in the White/King Model Guide at trumpet-history.com

http://www.trumpet-history.com/Early King Models.pdf

Well, for once, I disagree with Ivan - not something I recall happening before.

The English vernacular may support such use of "their", but the English language does not. (much like "sketch" in place of dubious or suspect). There exists no neutral gender form in English other than "it", which I think we all agree would be a bit rude. This example of deterioration of the language is particularly objectionable for purists in that it technically amounts to a single-plural conflict as well.

My opinion is that the science is superficial and the history linked to it exceptionally sparse, but as a quick "what is a trumpet 101" set of linked pages, its excellent fluff.

We need fluff. Not everyone wants or needs to be a gearhead. Some just want a 4th grade book report level of understanding and this set of pages does that in a way that may actually recruit some more kids, or their parents, to the instrument. Wish it were better publicized.

I certainly liked it better than the You-Tube Xeno plant tour with Jens. That could scare parents away from ever letting their kids get near a trumpet - or more specifically the people who play them.

What works for one may not for another.

The only Olds I ever really took a liking to, having played most variants a little here & there, was the original Studio - it is one of the most flexible in tone and character I have ever encounter. But, the more it can do for you, the more it can do to you. As for the Mendez: I can appreciate its qualities including the light response, but I'ld rather have a Strad.

Now as for the Connstellation, that's a different story. I do not care for 38Bs at all, but feel the 28B is fantastic (both "Constellation" models, but radically different). That's me. I'm guessing here, but I suspect Kehaulani will prefer the 38B.

The great thing about so many options in trumpets is that everyone has a good chance of finding what helps them be their best.

@Dr-Mark said in Frustrated:

@Kehaulani said in Frustrated:

Keep in mind that we would also like to attract younger members

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YES! I'd very much like to see younger members posing questions that we can help them with. That would be cool! That would be worthwhile.

I would very much like to see more young trumpet players period

@administrator said in Frustrated:

I mean, I can restore the thread if that really is an issue. I just didn't have the time to sort through it all! Give me some time tonight or this weekend and I can get it back up.

Please do not on my account. As I just posted moments ago, I was seeking a conceptual discourse, not to resurrect what sounds like an example of moderation in moderation (now that I know the details). I was posting as you were I think. I believe you will find my last post inline with your latest.

@Niner
Despite its early-90s appearance, trumpet-history.com is maintained. The virtual museum has grown by a number of interesting examples in the last few months including a lightweight 22B early, finally a decent picture of a King 3B, an Olds Military, a Holton Herriot, a Holton slide cornet from the 20s that I cannot find in catalogs, and a NY wrap early Mt.V 37 with a one of a kind Autrey pipe.

The piece on what is happening at the Bach plant from 2 years ago remains relevant as well, though who knows what will happen in days to come as the fake Bachs continue to damage the brand and now Tedd has retired too. Still, one of the better, and newer, reads on the site in my opinion.

No argument that the owner of the site has every right to do as he pleases, but if the goal is to create a place for exchange of ideas and sharing of information with those seeking it, it then becomes a challenge for the host to moderate in moderation. The owner of a site can use it like Getty used his newspapers, as a King-maker (or in that example, destroyer), if that is his goal. I have not had the impression that that was remotely the case here.

There is a difference between maintaining civility and suppression of ideas/information. I started this thread with an observation that was nothing more than. As I learned of the thread that triggered the particular notice, I came to understand the moderator's action. I intended this thread more as a conceptual discussion than a protest of any specific.

@Niner
Right now the ghosts of Locke, Madison, Jay, De Tocqueville, Orwell and Huxley are thanking whatever exists after this life that they did not live to see this.

@administrator
The cell-phone look is quite apparent and makes the site stand out relative to more primitive tech.

For some perspective on "older browsers" though, I work for a company that will shortly have half a million employees. For the last year, the "new" update has been windows 10 with IE 11.

@mafields627 said in Frustrated:

TBH, I wish that TH was actually more heavily moderated. A lot of great posters (pros and knowledgeable amateurs) have left because stuff was allowed to go too far.

Are you sure none of them left because they got tired of putting time and effort into creating detailed and informative posts that would serve those who googled the topic years later, only to see that effort obliterated because someone didn't like something someone said later in the thread?

@N1684T said in Frustrated:

What browser were you having problems with Old School?

Safari on an old iPad - basically nothing works in terms of screen controls.

IE 11 running on Windows 10 - lines of text do not wrap, they just vanish at the right edge. Many screen controls do not work, or display less than the proper list of options when in the form of drop-downs. Date & time stamps do not display.