Eb Trumpet Question

[Newell Post]

One of my colleagues asked me to sub for him at a band performance at a military cemetery on Memorial Day. But there's a catch. He plays the Eb trumpet/cornet parts for this particular event. I have a Getzen Eterna D/Eb I bought several years ago as an experiment and because it was cheap. I play it now and then and have performed a couple of incidental things on it, but I have no real training on Eb and am certainly no kind of expert.

The problem is that it sounds OK when I really play out and project. But when I try to throttle back to mf or lower the lower range just sounds really tinny and the upper range sounds shrill. I have tried quite a few different mouthpieces including 3C, 10.5C, Stork 7P (piccolo), Schilke 11D4, Schilke 12B4, and even 3C Megatone. So far, the 3C Megatone actually sounds best (!), but I have difficulty hitting the highest notes on it. The 10.5C has the best range, but the tone is "thinner."

Any suggestions other than to go buy a Schilke Eb cornet? I can't justify that level of investment.

Thanks.

[Richard III]

So you are going to sub with an instrument that sounds okay and you have many mouthpieces that you can choose from. And you are not going to spend more money on anything else. And the time is short. What do you want to hear other than pick the best sounding combination and practice?

[Kehaulani]

@Newell-Post said in Eb Trumpet Question:

Any suggestions other than to go buy a Schilke Eb cornet? I can't justify that level of investment. Thanks.

Did I miss something? If you're not going to buy any other equipment then don't you either have to make due with you have or not do the gig? I don't understand the question. Maybe I'm seeing this too simplistically.

[Newell Post]

What I was sort of hoping for was advice from more experienced Eb players like:

• In the upper portion of the range, try x with the breath support but y with the lips. However, in the lower portion of the range, try the opposite (or whatever).

Or maybe....

• Even Maurice couldn't make an Eterna Eb trumpet sound right. Just bite the bullet and get a really good Eb cornet such as a <insert favorite here>

[flugelgirl]

Well, an Eb trumpet is not an Eb cornet. They sound and blend differently, and both are difficult to play. They take a lot of practice for sound and intonation, which also means getting used to the group you’re playing with and their intonation challenges. As far as horns go, some BBB players I know are playing quite well on Yamaha Eb cornets. We had one in at work recently that I play tested, and it was quite nice. That may be a way to go if you’re going to continue on Eb cornet. If not, work with what you’ve got.

[trickg]

I borrowed an Eterna D trumpet from a friend once - I thought it played pretty well.

On my current Eb\D, a Yamaha 6610, it just seems that when I throttle back on the volume, it takes a lot more support to keep the sound from thinning - small horns are just a challenge to play, and I'll jump on to what others have said, pick your best mouthpiece that works with it, practice, and go from there.

[Newell Post]

Thanks flugelgirl and trickg. I'm going with the 10.5C and will make it work. It is really only the notes at middle C and below where I can't get it to sound right. But I will figure something out.

This particular group has been together for 20 years and they do basically the same music for this Memorial Day event every year, so they only have one rehearsal. But I'll survive...

[Newell Post]

...and if I don't survive, hey, I'm already at the cemetery!...

[Bob Pixley]

I'm a little late with advice, but you need to practice on the Eb enough to ingrain the pitch/written music relationship in your head. Most of the tinny sound people produce on the Eb (and picc) is caused by unfamiliarity and excess tension. Just try to open up and relax in the lower register and remember that's the easy part of the range.

[Newell Post]

@Bob-Pixley Got it. Thanks. The performance is on Monday, so I still have time. I have been practicing with it every day, and I'm starting get the "feel" for the different pitch, but time will tell.

[Brian Moon]

@Bob-Pixley said in Eb Trumpet Question:

I'm a little late with advice, but you need to practice on the Eb enough to ingrain the pitch/written music relationship in your head. Most of the tinny sound people produce on the Eb (and picc) is caused by unfamiliarity and excess tension. Just try to open up and relax in the lower register and remember that's the easy part of the range.

Good advice and also blowing too hard can cause the same problem.

[Newell Post]

LOL. OK, so here's the rest of the story..... I show up at the one and only rehearsal and after the first two pieces, the conductor says: "These next few pieces have some of the melody in the flugelhorn part. We really need that. Third cornets, can you find the flugel part and cover it?"

So I (the substitute Eb player) stick up my hand and say: "I brought my flugel, if you want me to try it." "Great. Do it.", he says.

So, for the next few days, I'm running about half of the pieces on Eb and half on flugel. We get to the gig this morning and he says: "Oh, the regular flugel guy is here today. I need you to do everything on Eb." So, I wind up sight reading about 4 pieces on Eb, an instrument where I'm not really fluent. (Well, I guess it wasn't pure sight reading, since I had played the pieces, just not the Eb part.) But we survived.

The thing I did find helpful was to use a lot of abdominal support, but not over blow.

[Brian Moon]

@Newell-Post

Sounds like you used the right approach.

[USAFBugler]

@Newell-Post It's an old post, but am new to the BOARDS. If you have the YAMAHA Neo Eb cornet, why would you have needed another?

Some other thoughts: I play the 8320S cornet and find it the easiest to play in tune and in higher pitches with British recordings. I also have a Getzen Eterna Eb cornet, the one with a larger than life bell, and it sounds as big and round as anything I ever played. I just have trouble getting my pitch high enough for European standards even with short shank mp's, so I use the 8320S mainly. I also have an Eterna Eb trumpet that is solid, and a couple of YAMAHA Eb/D trumpets, but the YAMAHA 8320S get the job done in brass band.

[Newell Post]

@USAFBugler Thanks, USAFBugler. Yes, I use the Yamaha Neo Eb cornet now for almost all Eb parts. I can keep it in tune well enough, but I'm using it for 19th century USA charts almost exclusively.

[barliman2001]

So far, my B&H Sovereign Round Stamp has done everything I ever asked it for... I know that these instruments are reviled for wonky intonation, but mine so far has behaved perfectly. And a friend of mine has just - after a long search! - found another one that ain't misbehavin', and has chosen it as his primary sop over the band's 4xxx Yammie...

[ROWUK]

@USAFBugler Yes, some older trumpets out of the US were built around A=440 and the current A=442 or 443 just makes life hard to impossible. The solution is to cut the instrument down - preferably at the stem of the bell. Then it could end up better than ever (because you can use it). What usually does not work is shortening it at the tuning slide or mouthpiece.

I have a Selmer Radial 2° D/Eb built in the early 1970s and after taking a bit off of the bell stem to raise the tuning pitch, it is much, much better than before.

[barliman2001]

@ROWUK That Round Stamp Sovereign has enough room to up to A=450... but many of these instrumentsare not consistent in themselves.

[ROWUK]

@barliman2001 That is why we have alternate fingerings...