@Dr-Mark said in Trumpet Elbow!:
@mrhappy said in Trumpet Elbow!:
Making a doc appt this week (for an unrelated prob) so I'll just pile this on!
Now that's smart. two diagnoses for the price of one!
Not really. With the CPT coding system, the more we add on to the HPI billing component, the more we get reimbursed. An additional complaint can raise the reimbursement from a Level 3 to a Level 4... ChaChing! In the end the patient will get what they pay for.
@Niner said in Getzen Tone Balanced Super Deluxe:
@Dr-GO Hey Dr-Go . Looks like you got out of the penalty box ...for a while. Glad to see you back.
Thanks Niner. I am working with other members here to be proactive at keeping people out of such penalty boxes. TH is a great place to be and I am hoping to keep it there with support from members such as you! Thanks again for the welcome back!
I have the Super Deluxe precursor: The Getzen Power Bore and truly enjoy playing that horn. It was my lead horn until I purchased the Harrelson. It slots like a laser and is the most accurate slotting horn I own.
@mrhappy said in Trumpet Elbow!:
@Comeback said in [Trumpet Elbow!] I find a little relief from trumpet playing discomfort during these times by simply switching to cornet
I've tried this but it makes it worse for me... Once I get close to a 90 degree elbow bend it aggravates it and due to the cornet being shorter, the elbow bend is a more severe angle.
Mr.happy. A couple of questions.
An exam would be very helpful, but this is hard to do over the internet. This could be an Olecranon Bursitis or Tennis Elbow. I have also seen Carpel Tunnel syndrome "reverse" radiate up the arm into the elbow. Performing an exam and rotating the elbow joint or wrist by applying pressure points at various tendon insertions would be helpful. Also feeling the joint for swelling or warmth would more specifically focus an inflammatory condition such as Bursitis or Arthritis. Do make sure you address this with you physician and make sure they perform a good concentrated exam to the shoulder, elbow and wrist on the right extremity. Do let me know what they find. Thanks so much for bringing this excellent case to our attention.
@Dr-Mark said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:
@Dr-GO said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:
Dr. Mark. Please calm down. I did not imply any of this.
Those are your words. Live with it and don't be condescending by saying for me to "calm down" I don't know who you think you are but you really should stop. Like I said in past posts, if you have a problem with me, do it in a chat.
Dr. Mark, for you own good, please heed the advice of the Administrator. We would like to keep you here.
@Dr-Mark said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:
@Dr-GO said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:
I see you text is bold. Please explain why that statement would taken as such. I really don't understand. It is my honest opinion, it's not meant to be pretentious. Have I offended anyone else here on TH with this statement.
Wow!?
The whole discipline of physics could not exist and there would still be a lot of really good trumpet players out there. "But for those who's goal it is of playing the trumpet well...the physics does help" Who says? You!
I (and everyone else on this site) don't need to know squat about physics to be a damned good trumpet player. I need to know lip slurs, articulation, dynamics, scales, etc. just like I don't need to know how to make sausage in order to be a great chef.
You can bark to the administrator all you want. Its your specialty every since a certain discussion about embouchures but that's your prerogative. Part of my prerogative? Calling out insulting posts when I read them. I'll stick with pretentious. "But for those who's goal it is to play the trumpet well, the physics does help". Darned I guess my goal of playing the trumpet well is dashed because I'm not opening even one physics book.
Dr. Mark. Please calm down. I did not imply any of this. I just stated, without theoretic detail, that the physics helps. I am sure others here may agree, and perhaps they too would like to comment. Other then you stating over and over and over and over again you disagree about physics, perhaps you can give some space to others to reply. I mean the title of the thread is "Structure of the Trumpet". Isn't physics implied?
That is where I would like to see the value of this thread lead. Niner tried to get this back on track, so let's agree to work toward Niner's goal to move forward, OK?
@Niner said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:
And then it got into a buzzing debate. Then it got into a strange twist about technical vocabulary and scientifically focused explanation as opposed to simple explanations.
It did go in that direction as buzzing is at the beginning end of the physics of the trumpet. Why the debate, I do not understand. There are many ways to energize the air in the trumpet, and what ever flow technique is used to achieve this, more power to them. There is no "one way is better than another" so to me there is no debate. I just wanted to clarify there is more than one way to start the physical process for all the trumpet physics that follow.
But I do hope your point is picked up upon. Hopefully this thread will work its way past the mouthpiece, down the leadpipe, through the valve casing and into the bell.
@Niner said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:
Didn't this string start out with a short commercially made simple presentation of how a trumpet works as an instrument?
It did.
@Niner said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:
I'd be more interested in how to get a kid to understand how to put his or her or...whatever the present correct assortment of gender assignments are... lips to a mouthpiece on a trumpet or cornet and consistently produce a musical note by actually getting what it takes to do so. Any of you know anything about that?
When starting a beginning child out for the first time, I get them to free buzz. Once they are comfortable with this, I have the child place the mouthpiece to their already buzzing lips to here the transition to the metal. Then while this buzzing unit is ongoing, and while the child holds the mouthpiece to the face, I pull the leadpipe to gently insert onto the bore of the mouthpiece to hear how this completed assembly produces a change in sound.
@Kehaulani said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:
"But for those who's goal it is of playing the trumpet well... the physics does help."
I'm not going to hunt this post down, but I don't see the conflict at face value.
Thanks Kehaulani. I agree there is no conflict intended. I contacted the Administrator to try to get us back on track.
@Dr-Mark said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:
@Dr-GO said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:
But for those who's goal it is of playing the trumpet well... the physics does help.
What a bold pretentious statement!
I see you text is bold. Please explain why that statement would taken as such. I really don't understand. It is my honest opinion, it's not meant to be pretentious. Have I offended anyone else here on TB with this statement.
@Dr-Mark said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:
@Dr-GO said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:
If someone starts talking about trumpet (or some aspect of) using a jargon, I'll suggest that they go to a website (with the same question) and pose the question to people that speak that particular language... Its probably a good idea to sh**can our pompous jargon when talking trumpet... If a person can only speak in their particular jargon, how are they to explain to the common person? A good communicator needs to be able to talk with kings and peasants. The difference? jargon.
I do not understand this line of discussion. What jargon are you referring to as is related to this thread? Can you be more specific so all of us readers interested in learning from this thread be more enlightened by the direction you are taking this discussion.
Nicely done. Very relaxed sound, That was you frown embouchure, correct?
@Dr-Mark said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:
@Dr-GO said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:
But for those who's goal it is of playing the trumpet well... the physics does help. I believe Jaguar Brass, Harrelson, Monett would support this perspective, right?
As long as you're asking them and not most of the people here.
One of them is one of the people here. Have you met TrumpetsPlus Dr. Mark.
@Kehaulani said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:
Well spake. I used to think that if you couldn't understand me, that was your problem and showed your lack of education. Not my fault. Why should I stoop to your level? I took an Air Force course for officers in communication. Very eye opening for me.
One of the first things I was taught was to consider your goal. Was it to show how much education you have or to get your listener to do something you need them to do? If you want the listener to understand and follow your instructions then put the words in the same context that the other person uses and will understand.
Read my line once again Kehaulani, it mentions nothing about training, degrees or asking scientists, it just simply states: But for those who's goal it is of playing the trumpet well... the physics does help. No analytical analysis. No reference to PhD, just recognizing the blood sweat and tears of individuals that put together damn good trumpets. Just a simple statement.
@Kehaulani said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:
My only skepticism is if so much interest in digging deeper and deeper into the physics is an ignoring of making music. After all, that is the goal of playing trumpet, isn't it?
But for those who's goal it is of playing the trumpet well... the physics does help. I believe Jaguar Brass, Harrelson, Monett would support this perspective, right?
@Dr-Mark said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:
@Dr-GO said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:
The trumpeter produces sound from the trumpet by buzzing his lips.
The statement isn't so wrong as it is sexist. It should be "the" lips, not his lips.
Point well taken. Did not mean to stereotype - but was quoting from the original text - Published by Yamaha.
The wrong behind the comment, again to clarify, is that the sound does not have to be initiated through buzzing. There are other physical methods beyond buzzing to get energize the air molecules. That was the point behind my comment.
HOWEVER, related to Yamaha's interpreted sexist comment by Dr. Mark, stating to have His or her lips buzzing I would believe cover the range... hopefully!
Thanks to the administrator for continuing this thread. It really does have educational value. Look forward to many others opinions toward the original Yamaha post and its instructional value as to the workings of the trumpet. Would like to hear Rowuk's opinion as well of the Yamaha perspective.
Mr. Blee would autograph my lesson books and studies with learning tasks for the next week with: Know exercises x to a for next time. Then he would say verbally: "That will keep you off the streets."
How profound, how true, and what a powerful lesson just that phrase would provide in my life.