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Treatment Option Comparisons for Trumpet Elbow (lateral epicondylitis)

Here is a link to exercises to rehab nerve injuries involving the arm:
http://www.askdoctorjo.com/content/neural-glides-ulnar-median-radial-nerves

@mrhappy said in Trumpet Elbow!:

Anybody here ever have to deal with that type of thing? Looking for some advice or techniques... maybe some sort of brace thing??
Thanks...MH

For all brass players, the prevalence rate of Trumpet Elbow is around 5%. Here is a table from the medical literature the puts this in perspective of other muscle injuries:

The daily routine I use:

Eugene Blee warm ups.

Read through actual charts
A. Those for the next gig (classical, church, big band or small ensemble)
B. Those from the the Real Book series

End with Etudes to keep articulation, fingering and lip flexibility skills in shape.

@ROWUK said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:

I consider the buzz or alternate start of lip vibration to be an insignificant semantic argument with no redeeming value. We are talking about the same thing: ignition of the lips, initialization of the vibrating mode.

Let me start with the second comment first. Agreed, both are just methods of ignition to energizing the air withing the horn.

My response to the first comment I do not feel the method of lip vibration is insignificant when it comes to is an efficiency component that does differ among various methods used in vibrating the lips. When an individual plays demanding performances, efficiency does matter, don't you think?

Here is the trumpet master of the pentatonic scale. Enjoy.

@Niner said in Mute Musings:

One thing that intrigues me is that my old Harmon from the early 60's is different from the modern Harmon that looks generally the same...

This is particularly relevant with the wha wha Harmon mute. I have a 60's vintage (noted above) and a 2010 vintage and while they look more similar there is definitely a feel difference in the aluminium AND definitely a sound difference. That 60's vintage is so dark and rich (albeit the cork is worn). While the 2010 has a more metallic sound (with an intact cork character).

Of interest, that 60's vintage fits my Committee and Harrelson like fine leather racing gloves, but the 2010 just is impossible to keep in tight with those horns. Alternatively, the 2010 version fits my other horns much better. So is it the cork or the design?

I have also found that mutes can change performance by just changing the condition of the cork. My 1960's version original Harmon has the cork wearing down more and more. The more it has worn, the better it is sounding.

By the way if Trumpetsplus is reading this, you posted a comment with a diagram on cork thickness once on TM. If you still have this, could you post it here once again, as it will soon be time that I will need to replace the cork on that aging Harmon mute. Much thanks in advance!

@Comeback said in Mute Musings:

If this ramble has a point, it is this: There is much to consider when making mute selections!

Jim

You make a mute point. Actually an interesting thread topic!

@SSmith1226 said in Elmer Churampi:

An interesting video on how much practice makes you an “expert”.

I am a firm believer in the 10,000 hour rule, at least for we mortals. As for Elmer Churampi, that rule need not be followed as some truly amazing individuals such as he has extraordinary synapses that do not require those 10,000 hours to organize.

Then there are the pentacostal scales.... or is that pentationic... doesn't matter, as I can play them in any tongue!

@Dr-Mark said in Trumpet Elbow!:

@mrhappy said in Trumpet Elbow!:

Making a doc appt this week (for an unrelated prob) so I'll just pile this on!

Now that's smart. two diagnoses for the price of one!

Not really. With the CPT coding system, the more we add on to the HPI billing component, the more we get reimbursed. An additional complaint can raise the reimbursement from a Level 3 to a Level 4... ChaChing! In the end the patient will get what they pay for.

@Niner said in Getzen Tone Balanced Super Deluxe:

@Dr-GO Hey Dr-Go . Looks like you got out of the penalty box ...for a while. Glad to see you back.

Thanks Niner. I am working with other members here to be proactive at keeping people out of such penalty boxes. TH is a great place to be and I am hoping to keep it there with support from members such as you! Thanks again for the welcome back!

I have the Super Deluxe precursor: The Getzen Power Bore and truly enjoy playing that horn. It was my lead horn until I purchased the Harrelson. It slots like a laser and is the most accurate slotting horn I own.

@mrhappy said in Trumpet Elbow!:

@Comeback said in [Trumpet Elbow!] I find a little relief from trumpet playing discomfort during these times by simply switching to cornet

I've tried this but it makes it worse for me... Once I get close to a 90 degree elbow bend it aggravates it and due to the cornet being shorter, the elbow bend is a more severe angle.

Mr.happy. A couple of questions.

1. Is there swelling or warmth in the right elbow?
2. Does any associated pain radiate (travel) down into the hand or wrist, OR alternatively, does pain radiate from the hand/wrist to the elbow?

An exam would be very helpful, but this is hard to do over the internet. This could be an Olecranon Bursitis or Tennis Elbow. I have also seen Carpel Tunnel syndrome "reverse" radiate up the arm into the elbow. Performing an exam and rotating the elbow joint or wrist by applying pressure points at various tendon insertions would be helpful. Also feeling the joint for swelling or warmth would more specifically focus an inflammatory condition such as Bursitis or Arthritis. Do make sure you address this with you physician and make sure they perform a good concentrated exam to the shoulder, elbow and wrist on the right extremity. Do let me know what they find. Thanks so much for bringing this excellent case to our attention.

@Dr-Mark said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:

@Dr-GO said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:

Dr. Mark. Please calm down. I did not imply any of this.

Those are your words. Live with it and don't be condescending by saying for me to "calm down" I don't know who you think you are but you really should stop. Like I said in past posts, if you have a problem with me, do it in a chat.

Dr. Mark, for you own good, please heed the advice of the Administrator. We would like to keep you here.

@Dr-Mark said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:

@Dr-GO said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:

I see you text is bold. Please explain why that statement would taken as such. I really don't understand. It is my honest opinion, it's not meant to be pretentious. Have I offended anyone else here on TH with this statement.

Wow!?
The whole discipline of physics could not exist and there would still be a lot of really good trumpet players out there. "But for those who's goal it is of playing the trumpet well...the physics does help" Who says? You!
I (and everyone else on this site) don't need to know squat about physics to be a damned good trumpet player. I need to know lip slurs, articulation, dynamics, scales, etc. just like I don't need to know how to make sausage in order to be a great chef.
You can bark to the administrator all you want. Its your specialty every since a certain discussion about embouchures but that's your prerogative. Part of my prerogative? Calling out insulting posts when I read them. I'll stick with pretentious. "But for those who's goal it is to play the trumpet well, the physics does help". Darned I guess my goal of playing the trumpet well is dashed because I'm not opening even one physics book.

Dr. Mark. Please calm down. I did not imply any of this. I just stated, without theoretic detail, that the physics helps. I am sure others here may agree, and perhaps they too would like to comment. Other then you stating over and over and over and over again you disagree about physics, perhaps you can give some space to others to reply. I mean the title of the thread is "Structure of the Trumpet". Isn't physics implied?

That is where I would like to see the value of this thread lead. Niner tried to get this back on track, so let's agree to work toward Niner's goal to move forward, OK?

@Niner said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:

And then it got into a buzzing debate. Then it got into a strange twist about technical vocabulary and scientifically focused explanation as opposed to simple explanations.

It did go in that direction as buzzing is at the beginning end of the physics of the trumpet. Why the debate, I do not understand. There are many ways to energize the air in the trumpet, and what ever flow technique is used to achieve this, more power to them. There is no "one way is better than another" so to me there is no debate. I just wanted to clarify there is more than one way to start the physical process for all the trumpet physics that follow.

But I do hope your point is picked up upon. Hopefully this thread will work its way past the mouthpiece, down the leadpipe, through the valve casing and into the bell.

@Niner said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:

Didn't this string start out with a short commercially made simple presentation of how a trumpet works as an instrument?

It did.

@Niner said in Structure of the Trumpet by Yamaha:

I'd be more interested in how to get a kid to understand how to put his or her or...whatever the present correct assortment of gender assignments are... lips to a mouthpiece on a trumpet or cornet and consistently produce a musical note by actually getting what it takes to do so. Any of you know anything about that?

When starting a beginning child out for the first time, I get them to free buzz. Once they are comfortable with this, I have the child place the mouthpiece to their already buzzing lips to here the transition to the metal. Then while this buzzing unit is ongoing, and while the child holds the mouthpiece to the face, I pull the leadpipe to gently insert onto the bore of the mouthpiece to hear how this completed assembly produces a change in sound.