@administrator said in Artist on BOARD:
@BigDub said in Artist on BOARD:
@administrator
How much do you love it?Haha, I see where you're going! Someday I'll have to commission something.
I believe I commissioned 4. He threw in a couple prints for free.
If I were not married, this would be such a cool gig. Could not even think what it would be like to be separated from my amazing wife for 6 months. In addition, I still have a steady day gig as a physician that plays pretty well.
Now if a cruse ship line would hire me as the ships doctor AND musician, that would be an amazing career. Just wonder if my State of Ohio medical license would let me prescribe those mood enhancing drugs that would alow the audience appreciate my performances even more LOL!
@Vulgano-Brother said in Job Posts:
I assume they aren't on the AFM unfair list.
Interesting you mention this. Most cruse ships are under foreign registry so not sure how the AFM would view this.
I am honored to be a proud member of the AFM, Local 101-473. Through the AFM I have been provided recurring and continued access to musical performances, and have benefitted greatly from the perks of membership, one being getting amazing and highly affordable support to insure my horns and equipment that I carry to gigs, and store in my home.
@stumac said in Behold, Trihornicus Maximus:
@administrator How does lt play?
I just want to know: Where does the lamp shade go?
I tried to search the site for Job posts but could not find one so will open on up with this introduction. Found this add on Facebook. Always wanted to know how to get such a gig but this may be the way:
@Dale-Proctor said in Oiling trumpet:
@Shifty said in Oiling trumpet:
@Dr-GO
I had a co-worker who went through college on a band scholarship. He said their entire trumpet section used STP as a slide lubricant.I can’t imagine that working unless they thinned it out with some other oil. STP is as thick and stringy as honey.
It did work well. The drop of red colored solution was thinner than my UltraPure oil.
So Robert Love from Brasswinds Research plays in a big band with me and he forgot to pack his trumpets one day last week. He asked to borrow my flugelhorn (the Kanstul) (I had as my extra horn in my Trumpet double case). I loaned to him to play and he quickly noted the resistance (he called it a wonky) first valve. I told him it has been less responsive than the other valves since I purchased it. He gave me a clear red fluid in a bottle and asked me to give it a try to see if it helped improve the valve's response. I used this fluid and it took about 2 songs of playing and it was beginning to respond more freely. Then the next day, completely fluid like the other valves. What was that magic red fluid? A mixture of valve oil and transmission fluid. Yes, transmission fluid. Not only does my flugelhorn valves now perform flawlessly, but the horn it now goes into reverse!
Picture of my 1961 Getzen Power Bore:
Power is its middle name, but what is the most amazing aspect of this horn is that is slots like a laser beam.
@ConsultLeo55 said in A self introduction::
Hello to all, I recently joined this site years after being a frequent reader of TrumpetMaster. I recognize some of the names here and send regards to everyone.
I got a late start on trumpet at 51 years old. I took lessons for years and played for my enjoyment only. A few years ago my playing was interrupted by issues with glaucoma that have since been resolved. Now I’m back to playing and have joined two bands in the New Horizons Music Program offered through some universities in the U.S.
It’s very nice to be playing again and a member of my first bands: concert band and jazz band. I’m learning things not learned unless in a band very fast. Even more, I’m happy to be a part of this forum and I look forward to participating.
Looking forward to coming out to hear you at one of your performances.
FYI, the Eddie Brookshire Big Band celebration of women in jazz is on March 31, starts at 7:30, at the University of Dayton Kennedy Union Boll Theater.
@barliman2001 said in Olds Club:
For the last few years, my main axe has been a Recording...!
A great axe to handle. So versatile and always with an amazing tone.... that crosses both jazz and classical genres. Not sure how this horn does it, but it does.
5 years later. Playing with my Big Band (well technically Eddies) to celebrate women jazz singers. If in the Dayton area, come out and give a hear to some great Dayton/Cincinnati area women jazz artists.
@J-Jericho said in You've never heard Kuhlohorn like this:
Dimensions and sound appear quite similar to a flugelhorn, but with a more rounded rounded wrap.
Agreed. The rounded wrap component is more related to the textures delivered by a keyed instrument. Here is Claudio Roditi playing the keyed flugelhorn that I feel gives a very similar tonal delivery
@Kehaulani-0 said in Oiling trumpet:
If the valves stick, wash them, remove all of the previous oil, and reoil with a different oil.
There's not that much difference, practically speaking, in oils as some may want you to believe.
Despite my above post on viscosity and longevity, I actually do agree with these comments. The comparison I made (from other's research) is just that. Other than longevity of the oil, there is no subjective ratings as to which one works best.
And when out on a gig and realizing I forgot to pack the oil, my experience is I can barrow a spritz from one of the other trumpet players and the valves perform just fine. Any Port in Storm.
@Newell-Post said in Odd Mouthpice:
Thanks, guys. When I first saw it I also assumed it might be a cornet mouthpiece duct taped to a trumpet receiver. However, when I got it off, I could see that it is MUCH deeper than a cornet mouthpiece. The shank actually fits on my cornets fairly well, but it is clearly not a cornet mouthpiece. I would have expected it to be marked 7FL, or something of that nature. But it isn't. Just plain "7." I'll post some photos tomorrow.
I am pretty sure the "Bach" taper is the size fitting the Kanstul flugelhorns. Does this mouthpiece fit your Kanstul? I had my Kanstul flugelhorn mouthpiece made by Flip Oakes as a Bach shank and it too is very deep and fits the Kanstul perfectly.
I am betting it is a Sea Cornet. But if someone unexpectedly would step on it while wading in the water it would Be Flat.
Neither. I form an embouchure by firming my upper lips with the facial muscles attaching to the zygomatic arch of the orbits of my eyes. Why? More muscle fibers attach hear distributing force more in more directions, with more insertion sites increasing the efficiency of muscle action while increasing embouchure endurance with more effective distribution of work load.
This also more easily opens the lip aperture resulting in a less resistant airflow.
I am a physician, that taught muscle physiology at a medical school for 27 years. I applied my knowledge of facial muscle anatomy with the physiology of muscle dynamics to come up with this approach, and it has increased my endurance, accuracy and range considerably in doing so over the more "traditional" methods you describe.
@Dale-Proctor said in Greasy Valve Stem Felts:
Do you store the horns at any angle that would cause the valve oil to run toward the stems?
This is my thought too. Are you storing your horn in a case with the valves down?
@Anthony-Lenzo said in Student trumpet:
...I should not have sold it. But thinking back it went to a cute little boy whose dad wanted him to have a good trumpet. Now in retrospect I am happy for the little guy as I write this .It is a good trumpet why shouldn't he have it.
Sounds to me you have done a beginning trumpet player a good service. The trade off is you may have precluded your use of this horn to have been of some benefit to you.
Let me explain, I had an Olds Ambassador and bequeathed it to my brother that abused the heck out of it in marching band. He returned it to me decades later and I decided to refurbish it, perhaps for my own use, perhaps for resale. The refurbished horn when returned looked great but played even better than I ever remembered. I decided to keep it. It is now my third most played horn in my collection.
I take it with me on vacations as if it is stolen or lost, it is the least valuable horn in my collection (except for my Pocket Trumpet). It has served me well on many trips, business and vacation, and many travels when I was not needing to play professionally. So for this reason, I have kept it and am glad I have.
How you use the valve oil depends on 1) the oil you choose 2) tightness of the valves in the casing:
SPEED: The most important quality in a valve oil is its ability to promote speed by reducing friction, but the oil also causes some resistance of its own. This measured resistance is called viscosity. Musicians seeking a "thin" oil are simply looking for a low viscosity oil. Viscosities of different oils are presented in the table below:
VALVE OIL VISCOSITY CHART COMPARISONS:
Products - Viscosity (cSt)
WATER - 1.00
MINERAL SPIRITS - 1.34
CLARK TERRY - 1.83
BENGE - 1.99
BLUE JUICE - 1.99
PLAYERS - 2.15
JUPITER - 2.20
ROCHE-THOMAS - 2.31
HOLTON - 2.38
HYBRID 141-A7 - 3.02
PRO-OIL RED - 3.61
SPACE FILLER II - 3.72
AL CASS - 3.73
PRO-OIL BLUE - 3.80
SPACE FILLER I - 5.10
SLIDE (for trombones) - 5.12
ALISYN - 7.59
ENDURANCE: Represents the oil's ability to maintain a fast and smooth valve action over many hours despite playing conditions. This characteristic is very difficult to develop in an oil without compromising speed because endurance is the end result of a complex series of interrelated properties and conditions: evaporation rate, film strength, surface tension, water solubility, and valve cleanliness.
Evaporation rate:
In most student and mid-line horns, a valve oil that evaporates to < 40% of the original oil remains on the valves will begin to hesitate unpredictably.
For higher end horns (clean and very tight valves), the slowdown is much sooner and sudden seizing of a valve is more common.
Evaporation rate table below, lists the percent of oil remaining on a surface as a function of time at room temperature. This does NOT reflect that a given valve oil will last the number of days shown, but rather the percentage of oil remaining after a given period of time. Unfortunately, as evaporation occurs, the lighter oil content diminishes until only the slow heavy oil remains on the valves. Experiments back in 1976 proved this.
EVAPORATION RATE TABLE
(PERCENT REMAINING VERSUS TIME) Products Vis.(cSt) 19 hrs 48 hrs 72 hrs 96 hrs 120 hrs
WATER 1.00 - 0%
MINERAL SPIRITS 1.34 - 0%
CLARK TERRY 1.83 - 16% - 7% - 6% - 0%
BENGE 1.99 - 35% - 13% - 8% - 5% - 4%
BLUE JUICE 1.99 - 44% - 23% - 17% - 12% - 8%
PLAYERS 2.15 - 44% - 20% - 13% - 8% - 4%
JUPITER 2.20 - 33% - 17% - 15% - 13% - 10%
ROCHE-THOMAS 2.31 - 16% - 13% - 13% - 12% - 11%
HOLTON 2.38 - 25% - 7% - 4% - 0%
HYBRID 141-A7 3.02 - 92% - 75% - 64% - 55% - 46%
PRO-OIL RED 3.61 - 74% - 44% - 33% - 21% - 11%
AL CASS 3.73 - 75% - 48% - 37% - 26% - 16%
PRO-OIL BLUE 3.80 - 77% - 50% - 37% - 25% - 13%
SPACE FILLER I 5.10 - 100% - 100% - 100% - 100% - 100%
SLIDE (t-bones) 5.12 - 100% - 100% - 100% - 100% - 100%
ALISYN 7.59 - 100% - 100% - 100% - 100% - 100%
Endurance also has a factor in the piston as it slides down the valve casing it to rub against the oil film. This movement ruptures the film and allow direct metal/metal contact. In hyper-tight valve assemblies (i.e., Monette and Schilke) oil film rupture is potentially more frequent and disastrous. This is a purely mechanical phenomenon which can only be prevented with an oil having a high film strength. Achieving a high film strength oil within the optimum viscosity range (2.5- 4.0 cSt) is recommended. High film strength gives a smooth, slippery feel when the oil is rubbed rapidly between the fingers. When shaken, an oil with a high film strength will yield bubbles that collapse within 1- 3 seconds. Whereas an oil with poor film strength will tend to entrap air for a much longer time.
Here is what AI says:
When oiling trumpet valves, the key is to use a specialized "valve oil" with a proper viscosity, applying only a few drops on each side of the valve piston, ensuring it coats the moving parts without being excessive, as too much oil can slow down the valve action and attract dirt; it's generally recommended to oil your valves a few times a week or when they feel sluggish, and to always clean the valves regularly to prevent buildup.
So if using artificial oil, it MUST be true.
