Its Been an Age Long Requirement But How Many Can Do It?
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Dr. GO, I saw something similar to your feeling that you're playing by the seat of your pants but coming out with unexpectedly good results.
I watched an audition for the jazz seat in one of North Texas' Lab Bands. One of the candidates, after the other candidate finished playing, walked out of the room saying to us, "Did you hear that? Do you believe it?" Not a compliment, the way he said it. But it was the other candidate that got the gig.
A few days later, I caught up with the winning candidate and he said, "I just don't get it. I just did what I could, getting through the changes". LOL.
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@Kehaulani said in Its Been an Age Long Requirement But How Many Can Do It?:
A few days later, I caught up with the winning candidate and he said, "I just don't get it. I just did what I could getting through the changes". LOL.
Yeah, that is exactly the way I felt. Nicely stated Kehaulani!
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Poor old Bob Pixley. Reaching for those grapes that were too high. I notice a “Banned banner” next to someone’s name now, though, and Bob’s not coming back either.
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@Dale-Proctor said in Its Been an Age Long Requirement But How Many Can Do It?:
and Bob’s not coming back either.
I'm going to miss Bob's avatar. What's the significance of the new one?
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WOW a lot of stuff seemed to happen here in a few hours! Glad there’s a few left who can still be civil to each other! I would think that given the current lack of social interaction it might be better to be kind to each other. To think I missed all this drama while working on some modal scale patterns is kind of funny, though!
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@flugelgirl said in Its Been an Age Long Requirement But How Many Can Do It?:
To think I missed all this drama while working on some modal scale patterns is kind of funny, though!
See what happens when you practice.
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@flugelgirl said in Its Been an Age Long Requirement But How Many Can Do It?:
...To think I missed all this drama while working on some modal scale patterns is kind of funny, though!
I do prefer modal over mood-al ANY TIME. Albeit that I must admit, with the Covid-19 crisis and the fact that about a third of my patients have mood disorders, business has been very good for me! Hang in there Flugelgirl and stay safe and healthy, but from my reading of things, your part of the country has things under better control.
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@Bob-Pixley
This is pretty much where I am, too. The band I am in calls for a lot of As and Bs below high C but only once have I been called on to play a C in an arrangement. And I couldn't always do it, even though I play a D over high C every morning in my practice routines.1960s King Super 20 Silversonic, 1940 Olds Recording, 1942 Buescher True Tone 400 ,1999 Conn Vintage One Bb trumpet, A 1952 Selmer Paris, A 2020 Getzen 400 and a Manchester Brass ACB custom pro Bb trumpet, a 1962 Conn Victor 5A Cornet.
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@GeorgeB said in Its Been an Age Long Requirement But How Many Can Do It?:
@Bob-Pixley
...even though I play a D over high C every morning in my practice routines.I'll take a first valve note over an open note anytime!
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Oh man, I've been BUSY the last 6 weeks, really busy and haven't been able to post. Anything interesting going on? I can play my scales. Any mpc discussions??
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@Tobylou8 said in Its Been an Age Long Requirement But How Many Can Do It?:
...been BUSY the last 6 weeks, really busy and haven't been able to post. Anything interesting going on?
Don't be a stranger... or at least not any more stranger than you already are... Discuss
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Nope. Absolutely cannot!
Can’t even tell you the scale if I look at it. Can’t tell what key a piece is in by looking at the key signature-just have to make a mental note about which notes are affected -
@djeffers78 said in Its Been an Age Long Requirement But How Many Can Do It?:
Nope. Absolutely cannot!
Can’t even tell you the scale if I look at it. Can’t tell what key a piece is in by looking at the key signature-just have to make a mental note about which notes are affectedMe too.
Nearly as good as I need to be. Not nearly as good as I want to be).
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Same here. I don't have the musical training others got in their youth. For me it is "see note, play note". My reading continues to improve, particularly rythms, but my "reading" is more like "decoding" than being able to read outloud in realtime.
I think it all comes down to extensive scale studies, in which I never have invested.
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@Rapier232 said in Its Been an Age Long Requirement But How Many Can Do It?:
@djeffers78 said in Its Been an Age Long Requirement But How Many Can Do It?:
Nope. Absolutely cannot!
Can’t even tell you the scale if I look at it. Can’t tell what key a piece is in by looking at the key signature-just have to make a mental note about which notes are affectedMe too.
90% of the time, that is also what I do... I call it "scaling back".
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Dr. GO, if I'm not mistaking, you are not a theory-illiterate musician but one who, like Bruce Lee or Bird, for example, have learned it all then let it drop away but retaining, nevertheless, the theory internally. There's a difference.
Bruce Lee said, "Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, add what is uniquely your own." I think you're more in that category.
To those of you who say you don't know from nothing about the elements of music, one thing to consider is that, knowing your scales, arpeggios etc., enhances your ability and ease in sight-reading considerably. You don't have to guess at individual notes but eventually get to a point where you don't see a run of isolated notes but, for example, look at a series of notes going from D to D with an Eb and Bb and see it as ONE thing, i.e. a run in Bb from D to D.
To be a good sight-reader means, not the ability to play note-for-note in real time, but to read ahead while playing temporally what's on the page; while simultaneously reading what will be coming up.
It's not hard, it just takes practice. You may see it as too much trouble, but makes your playing easier and more pleasurable, with less stress.
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Damn, Kehaulani! You hit the nail square on the head. Couldn't have said it any better! NICE POST!!!
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One of my college instructors once told me that getting really proficient at sight reading means seeing it in a series of familiar patterns. He was right! It becomes better with repetition, and part of that is knowing your key center in all 12 keys so you just don’t have to think about it. The longer you spend having to think before reacting, the more behind you are, and time doesn’t wait for any of us.
Daily players: Adams A1, A4LT, F2 flugel , CN1 cornet.
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Yes. There are books that have a collection of characteristic rhythmic patterns. What I mentioned above dealt with pitches but there is another facet, rhythm. It's the same concept, though, and that is seeing rhythms, too, in characteristic groups rather than individual elements. Good point, flugelgirl.
