RIP Trumpet "Master"

Kehaulani

administrator

In all fairness, neither Rowuk nor Wilmer are here to defend themselves. However, if your story is correct it simply seems to be an additional example our inexhaustible need to find fault with each other.

My beef, not with any individual I will mention, was with a sentiment I felt coming from the industry. I felt unwelcome as a music student, so I chose to change career paths. I find it sad that the one form of diversity which truly matters, diversity of thought, is rarely tolerated.

Tobylou8

I learned a lot from Robin. I still use my hose trumpet, play the hymnal, and circular breath to name a few. IF that's all I got from him it would have been sufficient. The only thing we disagreed on was really us talking past each other on a matter.

Dr GO

@Tobylou8 said in RIP Trumpet "Master":

I learned a lot from Robin.... and circular breath to name a few.

Clarification: The circle of breath (circular breath) which was an excellent Rowuk (Robin) topic is not the same thing as circular breathing which has been a topic that I (Dr GO) have detailed on TM and more recently here on TB. Just to make sure some people reading this will not become confused with these terms.

Tobylou8

Good catch Doc, I meant the Circle of Breath. Definitely not circular breathing.

Dr GO

@Tobylou8 said in RIP Trumpet "Master":

Good catch Doc, I meant the Circle of Breath. Definitely not circular breathing.

Good, Now I believe we can all breathe easier!

Kehaulani

If I'm not mistaking, the Circle of Breath is not rowuk's but is just another way of describing time honored techniques. No disrespect to rowuk, who's posts I always enjoyed and am grateful for lot of good advice, but what is unique about it to give it a distinct name and attribute the techniques to any one man. What did I miss?

administrator

We can get a good sticky going for "How to Breathe."

djeffers78

I gave my full name and address once on TM to someone while defending oldlou.
Offered to fight the guy and everything, but nothing ever came about. Still waiting for the knock on my door.
Hell I’d at least offer a beer first-or after whichever suits the guest.

Robrtx

@administrator said in RIP Trumpet "Master":

We can get a good sticky going for "How to Breathe."

Tobylou8

@Robrtx said in RIP Trumpet "Master":

@administrator said in RIP Trumpet "Master":

We can get a good sticky going for "How to Breathe."

That's from chapter 4 in "Triple C in 3 Days" correct??

Kehaulani

I've posted this before, but I guess it's gotten lost. Regarding the basics of breath support -

One summer, I was taking a lesson from Bob Fleming who had been a first-call L.A. studio musician and first trumpet for Disney for twenty years. I had spent the previous year in college where Haynie (UNT) was doing a lot of talking about the physical aspects of trumpet playing, using fluoroscopes, x-ray machines, etc. I became a victim of "paralysis by analysis".

So, seeking a brilliant and technical insight into breathing technique, I expressed my confusion and asked Fleming what his approach was.
"Cough", he said. I coughed.
"See?" he said. LOL

pops

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This high tech world still needs someone to pay the bills; like domain name fees and website fees.

Dr GO

@Kehaulani said in RIP Trumpet "Master":

So, seeking a brilliant and technical insight into breathing technique, I expressed my confusion and asked Fleming what his approach was.
"Cough", he said. I coughed.
"See?" he said. LOL

Ultimately, to do it right, breathing should come naturally to work for the individual. A cough is natural. So relax and play, then see what works well, which his ultimately the correct way to breathe will come naturally.

I mean the good Lord figured this out early for our species. Heck if God intended mankind to have to think about our breathing, we would have been an extinct species tens of thousands of years ago... yes, even before we evolved to be the ultimate of humans... trumpet players!

ROWUK

@Dr-GO Yes, I do browse the site from time to time. I do happen to be busy with many things (performances and preparing for a master class) that keep me away from casual computing.

As far as my posting at TrumpetMaster, that was an outlet for many concepts that I use when teaching and in my „industry“ job.

As far as grudges go, I am sorry that hindsight has not changed some peoples view of the world. Those that were banned had a „long series“ of behavior that was not „community“. In general, the admins posted in a protected area about those people and we were able to get other opinions before taking any action. Who actually banned who was not always clear as there was no flag visible to admins.

Wilmer died, may he rest in piece. All of the real professionals at TrumpetMaster had a certain degree of frustration with certain members who seemed to think that the supposed anonimity of the web gave them license to spew stupidity. I am convinced that in a real 1 on 1 lesson, the tone would have been completely different - far more respectful. I also often considered leaving TrumpetMaster but in the end, the real problem children (those only on transmit (TX) but not receive (RX)) were so few and the quantity of „respectful“ members gave me joy.

The essence of what I posted was just to take a step back, view the issue in its entirety and address the root cause instead of offering a patch for a symptom. This strategy works everywhere except in marriage (that being said, I have been with the same wife - my first - since 1978).

I still am not ready to make a commitment like I made to myself at TrumpetMaster. I am disappointed in the owner of TrumpetMaster for no warning or communication about closure. I certainly hope that the problem was not due to death or health issues.

Keep practicing!

Robin

ROWUK

@Kehaulani said in RIP Trumpet "Master":

If I'm not mistaking, the Circle of Breath is not rowuk's but is just another way of describing time honored techniques. No disrespect to rowuk, who's posts I always enjoyed and am grateful for lot of good advice, but what is unique about it to give it a distinct name and attribute the techniques to any one man. What did I miss?

I will assume that this statement was made because I only posted Circle of Breath at the now dead Trumpetmaster.

This is true. The concepts in the „Circle of Breath“ are age old, tried and true. They are a complete routine that I have been using since the 1970s. I do not know of anyone else that coined the phrase „Circle of Breath“ in this context so I will take credit for the name. Aligning the body first(Yoga, Feldenkrais, Alexander Technique), deep relaxed breath, playing longtones and slurs without an attack (Irons and others) are certainly not unique. I was always surprised that there are many (even accomplished) players that were never introduced to these basic concepts. This combination has been effective with every player that I have worked with. Just to outline the process:

Prepared body - straight/aligned to allow for a deep relaxed breath
exhale into long tones. We teach our lips to ignite on a wisp of air. The tongue tip is later used only to shape the articulation - not enable ignition of the lips
exhale into lipslurs

The circle is divided into two sections. At the bottom (6 o‘clock) we start our inhale. At 12 o‘clock we switch to exhale with all of the smoothness that a circle has. We exhale to 6 o‘clock and then the smooth transition to inhale starts. The time to inhale is not fixed.

We breathe through the nose as long as there is time enough. The air is moistened and adjusted in temperature.
If we do NOT have time, we breathe through the mouth.

Both methods of inhale must be practiced as well as their transition to exhale and back.

I use the Irons lip flexibilities book for the lipslur part.

Please feel free to move this post anywhere that would better serve the community.

Dr GO

@ROWUK said in RIP Trumpet "Master":

@Dr-GO Yes, I do browse the site from time to time. I do happen to be busy with many things (performances and preparing for a master class) that keep me away from casual computing.

Keep practicing!

Robin

The BEST advice you could give me.... as always! Will do sir!

Kehaulani

Absolutely no disrespect or dismissing this concept, intended; a valuable contribution and a clear way of expressing it.
Wonderful to see a post from you, Robin, and I hope it won't be the last time.

administrator

Agreed. Also, this is a new forum. If you had a beef with users on a previous forum, you have the right to remain silent!