Posts made by Dale Proctor

"Brass bands are all very well in their place - outdoors and several miles away ." - Sir Thomas Beecham

@grune said in Mouthpiece too large?:

... People think Mr Bach invented his numbering as a coherent, graded series. This is not so. imho His numbering reflects his series of experiments. Inter-series, I have never found gradation. Intra-series, yes, I note some gradation. I have read some research indicating Bach intended to match cups B, C, D, E to the key of the horn: thus a B-cup m/p was intended for a Bb horn, a C intended for a C horn, etc. This may indeed be true, as any B cup does sound bigger and better on my Bb horn, than does a C cup. The C cup did sound and perform best with the C horn I had....

The old Bach mouthpiece literature actually says that. What I’ve always wondered is, why is there no Bach 4?...lol

"There are two sides to a trumpeter's personality: there is the one that lives only to lay waste to the woodwinds and strings, leaving them lying blue and lifeless along the swath of destruction that is a trumpeter's fury; then there's the dark side...."

--Michael Stewart

What we've got here, is failure to communicate.

And another thread jumps the shark...

@adc said in Spit Building up in MP:

@Dale-Proctor said in Spit Building up in MP:

Modern long shank and modern short shank cornet mouthpieces have the same shank taper and should have the same insertion depth. I don’t know why they shouldn’t interchange with good results as well as any other mouthpieces do. Some mouthpieces work with a given cornet, while others don’t, regardless of the shank length.

Bach and Yahama have different tapers that I just noticed. Bacg goes into the shank further. Not arguing with you Dale. The short and long shank yamaha go into the shank the same distance.

The Yahama is close to an old Conn Wonder I have but not exact.

So I guess (as Fluglegirl said) that the Yahama doesn't belong into my Bach.

Yeah, I said they should have the same insertion depth. Some of them don’t, for sure. I have a newer Wick that has a really shallow insertion, a much older Wick that inserts the “normal” amount, and all the Schilkes I’ve used insert too far. So that part of the equation is a variable for sure. That’s more a function of the mouthpiece design than the horn, though.

Modern long shank and modern short shank cornet mouthpieces have the same shank taper and should have the same insertion depth. I don’t know why they shouldn’t interchange with good results as well as any other mouthpieces do. Some mouthpieces work with a given cornet, while others don’t, regardless of the shank length.

@flugelgirl

@grune said in Mouthpiece too large?:

.... which leads to another question....
with so many excellent horns and brands these days, are we living in a golden age?

I suppose I’m still living in the past with a silver Bb Strad and a silver C Strad...lol. I did break the mold a bit with a very fancy lacquered Bach 184 cornet, though.

@flugelgirl said in Spit Building up in MP:

Generally, short or long shank will change intonation on a horn, depending on which shank it was built for. While it’s possible to use a long shank on some horns meant for a short, it’s not optimal. Horns built for a long shank will not accept a short. In general, most cornets built before 1950 take a short shank, with a few exceptions. Not sure about the condensation in yours, but if they accept a short shank, they probably should be using one. As far as car products on horns, it may not be wise to be breathing that in.... I know I wouldn’t! I would worry less about what it’s doing to the horn than what it might be doing to you.

I think the discussion is centered around modern short-shank mouthpieces like those made by Denis Wick and others (mainly for brass band use), which work just fine in modern cornets.

I agree - the Bach 1-1/2C lends itself to producing a much nicer overall sound than the Bach 3C. In my experience, the 1-1/2C isn’t significantly more demanding to play than the 3C, either. I was surprised to discover that when I bought the 1-1/2C. The cup doesn’t really feel any wider than the 3C, but is a bit deeper. Disclaimer...your mileage may vary...lol

@BigDub said in Phony players:

On the show, Hogan’s Heroes, Colonel Klink Would occasionally play the violin, much to the discomfort of those who happened to be in the same room.
He looked rather convincing, but if you looked closely, there weren’t even any strings on the instrument!

Interesting factoid - Werner Klemperer’s father was Otto Klemperer, the famous orchestral conductor.

The flugelhorn player on “Brassed Off” comes to mind. Not the worst I’ve see, though.

@Seth-of-Lagos said in Saturn:

@Dr-GO my viewing equipment is a pair of contact lenses!

Jupiter's just about to set (4:30 CEST here) in the West and Venus is just rising above the dawn horizon, so they're all in a line: Venus, Mars, Saturn, Jupiter.

Well, to our perspective, they’re always in a line (the ecliptic), but not always close together.

I bought a fairly inexpensive telescope years ago, and looking at the rings of Saturn through it for the first time was quite a thrill. Same goes for the major features on Jupiter and its moons.

Blue Juice works great on tight valves, but evaporates quickly, and when it does, the valves get balky pretty fast. Al Cass is a good oil for what it is - just simple, cheap petroleum-based valve oil.

I like Hetman’s #2 for most of my horns. Good action, and it lasts a fairly long time. On more “loose” valves, Hetman’s #3 is good.

@Kehaulani
His style changed a lot over the years. Early on, his sound was more mainstream to the era.

Well, my initial post did have a vintage cornet in the photo, along with a few other band-related items. Where it went from there, I had no control over...

@tmd

You should have followed it up with A Swingin’ Safari...