Mouthpiece recommendations for young beginners

[Jolter]

@Kehaulani said in Mouthpiece recommendations for young beginners:

Well, here we go in circles. Isn't a Yamaha 11C4, Yamaha's take on the Schilke 11?

I think it is, yes. And not coincidentally, an 11C4 was included with my Yamaha beginner's horn in the 80s, so that's what I played all the way up to age 23. It's actually marked "11C4/7C".

I noted they now include their 11B4 with (at least some of) their student line. I suppose that should work well for youngsters, except if the student has thick enough lips to find the B cup too shallow. Both pretty middle-of-the-road pieces, on the smaller side. They ship a 16C4 with their pro line trumpets - IMO, they might as well not include one...

[Tobylou8]

I hated my 7C all through school, The bite was too sharp for my liking but what's a kid to do? Knowledge is readily accessible today and the choice a little less mysterious. I favor the "proportional route" and matching the rim diameter to the lips as much a possible. Smaller lips should get a smaller rim. Here a link to Storks site and his how to choose a mouthpiece section. Hope it helps. https://storkcustom.com/how-to-choose-a-mouthpiece/

[Dr GO]

@Tobylou8 said in Mouthpiece recommendations for young beginners:

I hated my 7C ... The bite was too sharp for my liking but what's a kid to do?

Bite back?

[Dr GO]

@Tobylou8 said in Mouthpiece recommendations for young beginners:

...I favor the "proportional route" and matching the rim diameter to the lips as much a possible. Smaller lips should get a smaller rim.

My solution was to kiss a lot, and I mean a lot of girls during my school years to help build more functional muscle. My rim diameter got bigger to match their cup sizes, most of them C cups... but I do remember one with a D cup! Yes!

[GeorgeB]

@Kehaulani

Yeah, I don't know how it got here.

[Kehaulani]

@Dr-GO said in Mouthpiece recommendations for young beginners:

@Tobylou8 said in Mouthpiece recommendations for young beginners:

My solution was to kiss a lot . . of girls during my school years to help build more functional muscle.

I did push-ups with my lips.
I was a manly man.

. . . not.

[Dr GO]

@Kehaulani said in Mouthpiece recommendations for young beginners:

@Dr-GO said in Mouthpiece recommendations for young beginners:

@Tobylou8 said in Mouthpiece recommendations for young beginners:

My solution was to kiss a lot . . of girls during my school years to help build more functional muscle.

I did push-ups with my lips.
I was a manly man.

. . . not.

Hey, as long as she did't push you back... All is well!!

[administrator]

I'll take a C7 any day over a 7C.

[oldpete]

I taught for 40 years and preferred to start students on a Bach or Benge 7C, always monitoring their tone and observing how they played. Kept some 5C, etc., around and used them when it seemed the road to go down.

[Bertie]

@Jolter said in Mouthpiece recommendations for young beginners:

@Kehaulani said in Mouthpiece recommendations for young beginners:

Well, here we go in circles. Isn't a Yamaha 11C4, Yamaha's take on the Schilke 11?

I think it is, yes. And not coincidentally, an 11C4 was included with my Yamaha beginner's horn in the 80s, so that's what I played all the way up to age 23. It's actually marked "11C4/7C".

I noted they now include their 11B4 with (at least some of) their student line. I suppose that should work well for youngsters, except if the student has thick enough lips to find the B cup too shallow. Both pretty middle-of-the-road pieces, on the smaller side. They ship a 16C4 with their pro line trumpets - IMO, they might as well not include one...

Yep. My Students are playing the YAM 11B4. It is not too shallow. After that some get a Bach 3C...

It works.

[Dr GO]

Trumpet Mouthpiece Blues

[Kehaulani]

[grune]

@SSmith1226 If the Bach brand is the reference, suggest you try the 7D with a medium bore horn.

[SSmith1226]

@grune
Thanks!

[grune]

@SSmith1226 Another suggestion is to get a set of modular mpcs, re China. These come in a 7c, 5c, 3c combo. The cups and rims are not equivalent to Bach. Not a long-term solution by any means, but could be used to narrow choices and determine direction, at low cost. Here is a vid by someone reviewing the 2c-3c set...

[barliman2001]

That set is just a bad copy of the Stomvi mouthpiece system...

[Dr GO]

Harrelson also makes a modular kit:

This would be ideal for a beginner from a performance perspective, however not a great beginning from the financial perspective. It is truly amazing how the combinations of throat (third row in kit) and back bore selections (forth row in kit) really reduce the resistance of the mouthpiece once inserted in the horn, making the play so much easier. In addition are the varieties of cups and rims that grune picture above. In addition, the Harrelson modular also contains nuts (Top row above throats) that fill the gap from the back of the mouthpiece to the leadpipe of the horn.

[grune]

Of course, if a student has the finances to afford the Stomvi, Harrelson, and other top brands, such top quality would give far better results. The reason for using the cheap stuff is low cost and 'direction': not to substitute for the genuine goods. For say $25, the cheap set can help a student determine which of 7c 5c 3c would be better for her/him. If s/he likes, say, the width of a 5c but not the depth, s/he knows to buy a genuine 5D, or the like, with some level of confidence.

[barliman2001]

For quality at really cheap prices, there are the A&S (Arnold &Sons) copies of Bach mouthpieces, sometimes marketed under the Stoelzel brand. They come at around $12 each, and are really good.

[Kehaulani]

What is the relevance to the OP? This thread is seven months old.