Which picc?


  • Global Moderator

    Hey guys,

    I'm not a new guy to piccs. I had an old Selmer, a Scherzer, a Stomvi and a Besson Kanstul 920. Sold all of them because for Baroque work, I only need my Selmer high-G.
    But now, I'm in a new pit orchestra and the conductor wants me to play certain parts on a high-Bb. I don't want to fork out too much money, but at the same time, I don't want to buy junk. I've set my sights on a Getzen Eterna on fleabay which is more or less around 1200 bucks, and suddenly, a brand new Dillon pops up for less than 700 buy at once... any ideas?


  • Qualified Repair Techs

    My favorite of the lower cost pics is the Jupiter - find one and you won’t regret it. They play waaayyyy above their price point, and are better than any Getzen or Selmer I’ve played. Another nice one that may be easier to find in the European market is the Fides - played one at NAMM last year and it was quite a nice player.



  • The Selmer G trumpets are way better in tune than the Bb/A Selmers. Meinl/Lauber makes an excellent Scherzer Bb/A knock off.



  • I used to have a Getzen Eterna picc. I wouldn't recommend it.


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    @Vulgano-Brother said in Which picc?:

    The Selmer G trumpets are way better in tune than the Bb/A Selmers. Meinl/Lauber makes an excellent Scherzer Bb/A knock off.

    I agree with you about the Selmer G - that's why I sold all my piccs, including the Selmer, when I inherited that G from Maurice André... But I'm not into rotaries any more - I've sold off all of my rotaries just recently because I was not playing them enough to keep in shape. You know, a piston trumpet you can have lying about for a year or two, and you can put some oil in and it will work (if necessary, after a sharp blow to the valves. You can't do that with a rotary. My Ganter kept on seizing up if I did not play it at least twice a week, and each time involved a trip to Votruba's to get it going again (I'm no mechanical wizard to fix a rotary myself). So the Ganter went, and the Dowids Eb/D, and a Kuhlohorn by Glier.


  • Qualified Repair Techs Credentialed Professional

    Especially where you are, I would check out Cerveny.


  • Global Moderator

    Just had a very disappointing experience with ACB. I had already put a John Packer picc (shop demo, at half price) into my online cart and had by e-mail declared that I wanted it and was just discussing with them how to handle the transfer of funds from Europe when they sent me an e-mail saying, sorry, the horn was just sold at a trade show, and would I want their beginners' picc, the ACB Doubler, instead?

    Trent Austin, I respect you as a musician; but as a business man, this kind of going back on a sale already agreed upon would get you banned in Europe.


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    @barliman2001 said in Which picc?:

    Just had a very disappointing experience with ACB. I had already put a John Packer picc (shop demo, at half price) into my online cart and had by e-mail declared that I wanted it and was just discussing with them how to handle the transfer of funds from Europe when they sent me an e-mail saying, sorry, the horn was just sold at a trade show, and would I want their beginners' picc, the ACB Doubler, instead?

    Trent Austin, I respect you as a musician; but as a business man, this kind of going back on a sale already agreed upon would get you banned in Europe.

    Well, let's give him a chance to respond and see how that goes.


  • Trusted Seller

    @barliman2001 Sorry for the delay I just got back from the Midwest Show and saw this note. This was not a confirmed sale (as you mention about transferring funds we did not have payment for this order... if we had a confirmed payment we would have held the horn) and we then had someone purchase it at a show. Unfortunately for us we have been burned so many times about people ordering an instrument and not paying losing out on other sales. Our company policy is that all horns are available until a fully confirmed payment has been made.

    We offered an alternative option and obviously you are disappointed. I do see your side and would like to see if there's anything I can do to make this happen. Feel free to email us again and perhaps we can get you another demo. I will see if that's possible.

    Respectfully,

    Trent



  • @ACB - frankly, based on my experiences with ACB, I thought there might have been a piece of information missing from this, when I first read it.


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    Well, since this is public now, I'll put in my input.

    I think @ACB has a fairly reasonable policy. They are a for-profit business, and nothing really is "yours" until you have put all the money down. Some companies offer layaway for a portion of the sales price.

    I'm sorry it didn't work for you, @barliman2001. Hopefully, you'll find a good horn of equal or greater value.

    As for piccolo, if I had money for one, I'd go buy a Scherzer 8111 (Silver, with the left-hand tuning trigger) and call it a day.


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    @administrator said in Which picc?:

    Well, since this is public now, I'll put in my input.

    I think @ACB has a fairly reasonable policy. They are a for-profit business, and nothing really is "yours" until you have put all the money down. Some companies offer layaway for a portion of the sales price.

    I'm sorry it didn't work for you, @barliman2001. Hopefully, you'll find a good horn of equal or greater value.

    As for piccolo, if I had money for one, I'd go buy a Scherzer 8111 (Silver, with the left-hand tuning trigger) and call it a day.

    Good idea, admin. If you had read all the posts, you would have seen that I HAD a Scherzer and have done with rotaries for ever. What I wanted was a reasonably non-expensive horn as an add-on to my main high trumpet, the Selmer G. In Europe, the moment a contract is agreed upon, the object in question is automatically reserved for a certain period or until payment is made. And I had made it quite clear that I was willing to pay, only due to differences in US and European payment modalities needed advice as to how to pay. And during that short interval (we're talking hours, not days) the horn was sold - even though I had got an e-mail that the horn was still in my online shopping cart. Oh well, shit happens. It's only a bit aggravating because I had now bid on a Getzen Eterna on e-bay, and was highest bidder at something like $1500, and during the last five minutes, while I was fast asleep (at four a.m. European time), someone sneaked in and won it... which leaves me with a definite date on which to use a picc - 25 January - and no picc in sight. Probably will have to transcribe all the music for the G and then work my way around all the sharps (in one piece it will land me with 6 sharps...)


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    @ACB said in Which picc?:

    @barliman2001 Sorry for the delay I just got back from the Midwest Show and saw this note. This was not a confirmed sale (as you mention about transferring funds we did not have payment for this order... if we had a confirmed payment we would have held the horn) and we then had someone purchase it at a show. Unfortunately for us we have been burned so many times about people ordering an instrument and not paying losing out on other sales. Our company policy is that all horns are available until a fully confirmed payment has been made.

    We offered an alternative option and obviously you are disappointed. I do see your side and would like to see if there's anything I can do to make this happen. Feel free to email us again and perhaps we can get you another demo. I will see if that's possible.

    Respectfully,

    Trent

    Well, seems there are differences in the US and Europe what is considered "an agreed sale". It's difficult enough buying from the States, what with some sellers not even considering non-US customers. But that's just how the world is, and we'll leave it at that. All the best, and have a Merry Christmas.


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    @ACB said in Which picc?:

    @barliman2001 Sorry for the delay I just got back from the Midwest Show and saw this note. This was not a confirmed sale (as you mention about transferring funds we did not have payment for this order... if we had a confirmed payment we would have held the horn) and we then had someone purchase it at a show. Unfortunately for us we have been burned so many times about people ordering an instrument and not paying losing out on other sales. Our company policy is that all horns are available until a fully confirmed payment has been made.

    We offered an alternative option and obviously you are disappointed. I do see your side and would like to see if there's anything I can do to make this happen. Feel free to email us again and perhaps we can get you another demo. I will see if that's possible.

    Respectfully,

    Trent

    Hi Trent,

    hope I am not annoying you by taking up this thread again. But I feel that I judged your offer of the ACB Doubler picc hastily. I've just come across your 2017 video comparing the Scherzer with the ACB Doubler, and that has me convinced. Taking into account that obviously at the time, you were less at home with rotaries than with pistons, and that playing a Scherzer with the same mouthpiece as the ACB Doubler will have the Scherzer in difficulties because rotary piccs (and the Scherzer in particular) want something very special in mouthpieces, like a Breslmair G1, the sound of the ACB Doubler was really amazing. So I'm taking up your offer of the ACB Doubler picc, and I have put one into my online cart. Thank you.



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  • Trusted Seller

    @barliman2001 definitely send us an email to info@austincustombrass.com I do believe we only have one left in stock but I can reserve it for you with a deposit (we can sort out those details asap). Honestly I prefer the doubler over the JP eitherway!

    Best regards,

    Trent



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  • Sorry, as much as I love Getzen, their high horns aren't the best I've played.


  • Qualified Repair Techs

    @Vulgano-Brother I agree. Where once their picc was the best lower cost option, it is not today. There are other options that are much better at the same price point or lower.


  • Global Moderator

    @flugelgirl said in Which picc?:

    @Vulgano-Brother I agree. Where once their picc was the best lower cost option, it is not today. There are other options that are much better at the same price point or lower.

    I agree. I would love to try out ACB's doubler rotary picc.


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