RIP Trumpet "Master"

Tobylou8

@SchilkeB6 said in RIP Trumpet "Master":

@adc
No Rowuk was NOT the owner!

SchilkeB6, the original name of Solar Bell, back to it!

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Shifty

@Newell-Post said in RIP Trumpet "Master":

...flugelgirl too. Need more ladies. Too much testosterone on trumpet sites sometimes....

Flugelgirl has joined us. Welcome!! Please join the Qualified Repair Techs group as well.

Newell Post

@Shifty Hey, flugelgirl. Welcome aboard.

tjveloce

Well I'm sad to see it gone...as others have pointed out, there was a lot of great information and personality to that forum. I owned a social networking domain and site once and we got Distributed Denial Of Service attacks numerous times, which would then cause the hosting service to take us offline. I hope that didn't happen to TM.

In any event, it's nice to see some familiar names here. I was "chiefgearhead" on TM.

-tj in the Cruz Mtns

Vulgano Brother

I lobbied for TM to send its Moderators to Hawaii for a week or two. No response then, nor now.

Dr GO

If anyone wants to get to some of the classic TM Posts for there archives of amazing advice, use this link:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190119162733/http://www.trumpetmaster.com/

moshe

With Trumpet Master gone.
I worried about what would happen to Rowuk.

What will he do to replace TM in his life?

Then I realized that Rowuk can still kick puppies and tear the wings off of flies.
So he can still stay busy.

:^)

PS -
For those who don't remember,
10 years ago Wilmer Wise threatened me with physical violence because I dared to defend famous mouthpiece maker Vincent Bach that Wilmer Wise said was a racist.,
so Rowuk banned ME !!!!!!!!
Not that I still hold a grudge about the matter.... :^)

moshe

Vulgano Brother

@moshe
Seems like not a nice thing so say.

Dr GO

Rowuk is doing very well. He has a full life as a Professional Musician, the loss of TM is so minor in regard to his very rich career in music and his other professional life. For Rowuk, I believe TM was his way of volunteering his "love" to the trumpet world. He did not have to do this, but he did as a "tough love" parent. I learned so much from his "tough love" as he was firm with me at times, but I always respected our disagreements, just as I know he had listened to my rare but occasional contradictions of opinion. I respect him so much for this, and even though I still "see" him in other venues, I do miss his sharp wit and highly professional advice. I know he has been scanning TrumpetBoards, and has hinted on one day entering. I trust his excellent wisdom as to the timing if or when he would join this forum.

Dr GO

@moshe said in RIP Trumpet "Master":

10 years ago Wilmer Wise threatened me with physical violence because I dared to defend famous mouthpiece maker Vincent Bach that Wilmer Wise said was a racist.,
moshe

Moshe, you are not alone.

To me, Wilmer Wise was also very unkind, unprofessional and he had anger for me long after I shared on TM my knowledge of the ethics of a jazz great as to performance characteristics in the last years of the particular performer's life. Wilmer unceremoniously blasted me on my revelation, even though I knew the individual that produced the audio and video evidence of this jazz great that was vital in support of this student's thesis that was subsequently awarded with a PhD by the Department of Music at The Ohio State University. Wilmer marked me with anger thereafter, to contest anything I would post on his Thread, as a result of my knowing and Wilmer not wanting to accept this truth.

My choice was to no longer post on his Threads. Would I have been banned had I not stopped posting? Possibly as he was highly honored on TM. What I do know is I still held respect for Wilmer Wise, for the person he was and for the influence he made to others more important than me, and for the inspiration and life he lead. I even PM'd Wilmer after this event with my interest to assist him to help fund and hopefully change an event that was severely impacting on his life that I found out about after reading an article published in the American Federation of Musician's Trade Journal. He chose not to respond, but my concern and heart still went out to him. I did let him know this, but again no response.

So I am glad you chose to work on not holding a grudge about the matter. Holding grudges only brings us to a darker space, and the more grudges we hold, the darker life gets for us. I am sorry Wilmer held a grudge against you and me, but I hope with all my heart, Wilmer is now in a much better place.

administrator

I'm curious if Robin (Rowuk) is aware of this site's existence.

Dr GO

@administrator said in RIP Trumpet "Master":

I'm curious if Robin (Rowuk) is aware of this site's existence.

Yes. I know for a fact he does, and he on occasion circulates onto this site to observe the discussion.

administrator

@Dr-GO said in RIP Trumpet "Master":

@moshe said in RIP Trumpet "Master":

10 years ago Wilmer Wise threatened me with physical violence because I dared to defend famous mouthpiece maker Vincent Bach that Wilmer Wise said was a racist.,
moshe

Moshe, you are not alone.

To me, Wilmer Wise was also very unkind, unprofessional and he had anger for me long after I shared on TM my knowledge of the ethics of a jazz great as to performance characteristics in the last years of the particular performer's life. Wilmer unceremoniously blasted me on my revelation, even though I knew the individual that produced the audio and video evidence of this jazz great that was vital in support of this student's thesis that was subsequently awarded with a PhD by the Department of Music at The Ohio State University. Wilmer marked me with anger thereafter, to contest anything I would post on his Thread, as a result of my knowing and Wilmer not wanting to accept this truth.

My choice was to no longer post on his Threads. Would I have been banned had I not stopped posting? Possibly as he was highly honored on TM. What I do know is I still held respect for Wilmer Wise, for the person he was and for the influence he made to others more important than me, and for the inspiration and life he lead. I even PM'd Wilmer after this event with my interest to assist him to help fund and hopefully change an event that was severely impacting on his life that I found out about after reading an article published in the American Federation of Musician's Trade Journal. He chose not to respond, but my concern and heart still went out to him. I did let him know this, but again no response.

So I am glad you chose to work on not holding a grudge about the matter. Holding grudges only brings us to a darker space, and the more grudges we hold, the darker life gets for us. I am sorry Wilmer held a grudge against you and me, but I hope with all my heart, Wilmer is now in a much better place.

It turns out we are all people and have opinions on many subjects...nevertheless, we can respect and love people without agreeing with their views or tactics.

GeorgeB

I have learned a lot just reading some of Robin's replies and suggestions to those who sought advice, myself included. He may have sounded pompus to some, but many knowledgeable people come across that way, though they certainly don't mean to. There were times in some of Robin's posts that he actually came across as being quite humble.

I'D LOVE TO SEE ROWUK COME HERE !!!!

JorgePD

@Dr-GO
I learned a lot from Rowuk as well. His "tough love" approach was very similar to the manager I learned the most from early in my business career. I hope he decides to join the forum.

Pinstriper

@GeorgeB said in RIP Trumpet "Master":

I have learned a lot just reading some of Robin's replies and suggestions to those who sought advice, myself included. He may have sounded pompus to some, but many knowledgeable people come across that way, though they certainly don't mean to. There were times in some of Robin's posts that he actually came across as being quite humble.

I'D LOVE TO SEE ROWUK COME HERE !!!!

Rowuk's posts were amazingly educational, to the extent I could understand and apply. He may have rubbed some people the wrong way with his direct language, but I always saw it as just coming straight to the point and not pussyfooting around.

But then, some people think I can be condescending from time to time. (that means they think I talk down to people)

Kehaulani

. . . some people think I can be condescending . .
. (that means they think I talk down to people)

barliman2001

@Newell-Post I've got his e-mail and will send him a note. Haven't heard from him for some time, though, and he was living in a particularly lively corner of Africa...

Newell Post

@barliman2001 Thanks, Barliman. It was that "lively corner of Africa" perspective I particularly enjoyed.

moshe

@moshe said in RIP Trumpet "Master":

With Trumpet Master gone.
I worried about what would happen to Rowuk.

What will he do to replace TM in his life?

Then I realized that Rowuk can still kick puppies and tear the wings off of flies.
So he can still stay busy.

:^)

PS -
For those who don't remember,
10 years ago Wilmer Wise threatened me with physical violence because I dared to defend famous mouthpiece maker Vincent Bach that Wilmer Wise said was a racist.,
so Rowuk banned ME !!!!!!!!
Not that I still hold a grudge about the matter.... :^)

moshe

To clarify the matter which might seem vague above:

A long time ago Vincent Bach published a mouthpiece brochure which included recommendations for black musicians.

Wilmer Wise posted that was proof that Vincent Bach was a racist.

I said that Wilmer should not make such a condemning accusation against someone who was not around to defend himself.

Wilmer then posted that my defending a racist was proof that I am a racist.
Wilmer said that he wanted to do to me what he once did to a racist in Baltimore, in other words, beat me to a pulp.

I threw a fit and protested to the moderators that Wilmer's posts should not be tolerated because they violated specific TM posting rules.

Rowuk then deleted almost all of the posts that were exchanged about the matter and Rowuk banned me from TM for my "bad behavior".
But Rowuk allowed Wilmer Wise to remain in TM without even requiring that he apologize.

But that was 10 years ago, so I barely remember the matter

moshe