My Adams F2 in brushed copper.

-tj in the Cruz Mtns

Apologies for the repost. I'd hoped to get the thread I started here but in lieu of that here's what I posted.

This is "TJ," aka "the chief gearhead" on Trumpet Master.

A few days after TrumpetMaster bit the wax termite, my Martin Committee arrived. Like many, I hoped it would return, thinking perhaps it was just another brief outage.

Like you, I'm also a member of TH, but for some reason TM was where I posted the most. I just happened upon some topics others were interested in, and discussions ensued.

Since trumpet pedagogy is complex even when discussed in person, the discussions I found most interesting where equipment focused, specifically threads about vintage horns. I loved the vintage horns "eye candy" thread, and also the Martin Committee "Club."

So first things first, I'm not trying to recreate another MCC, but I would like to solicit the opinions and knowledge of those who either play or have experience with these horns, because quite candidly, I'm absolutely smitten with my recent acquisition, and even the story of how I found her is a good one. If ever there was a horn which lived up to its hype, at least from my perspective, the Martin Committee does so swimmingly.

I'd been wanting to play one for years, starting back when I was a young lad. Then, after my return to playing, and my love of vintage horns (I have a 53 Olds Recording which I bought from the daughter of the original owner) I began searching for a Committee, specifically one from the "preferred era." I played a couple Medium Bore horns, and found them similar enough to my Olds that I didn't see a reason to pursue them.

After searching the usual online marketplaces I found one in, of all places, Facebook Marketplace. Had the seller not been a music professor, author of trumpet methodology books, and mutual friends of a couple people whom I hold in the highest esteem, I'd likely have moved on. But he is all those things, and after a couple FB messages I committed to buy the horn. He was in fact not the seller, but was representing the seller, who was a 70 year old woman, who had owned the horn since 1965 when her mother bought it for her at a used music store in Texas. The previous owner was, according to her, a local musician who played in jazz clubs in the area. She played it in high school honor band, and then apparently put it away and didn't do anything with it for.....50 years.

It is a large bore "Deluxe" model, SN 194587, which puts its build date sometime in 1956 as far as I can tell.

During the week that it took for it to arrive, I completely geeked out on the horn, reading and re-reading what little has been written about them. At this point TM was gone, so I could not read about it there, although occasionally I'd read it through Google archives.

When the horn arrived, I heard the UPS truck at our gate, and then saw my wife walking up the driveway with the box in her hands. She too had been looking forward to its arrival, because she loves me and because, well, she was probably tired of me saying "you know what happens in 2 days?"

I opened the box, opened the sadly non-original case, put my mouthpiece in the receiver, and blew air in to it. After quickly slightly modifying my approach to the kind of air the horn wants, I immediately realized that this horn is unlike any other horn I've ever played, and I was in love. I can't really put in to words how it feels, but the way it resonates and the feeling in my embouchure are large, round, sonorous, without edge, dark, and rich.

The horn is in very good condition mechanically. The valves are fast and not badly worn, and there are only a couple small signs of repair. The only disappointing aspect of it is that someone buffed and re-lacquered the bell, making the beautiful engraving hard to see. There's still enough left for an experienced artist to touch up, and that's what I intend to do, as soon as I am willing to go without having it for a couple weeks. I sent it to my local brass tech to have the bent lead pipe straightened and the horn cleaned, and I washed it in hot water which removed the old cellulose lacquer.

I bought a set of Harrelson's mouthpiece gap shim kit and have been trying different gaps. With my Monette Classic Resonance MP the gap was .226", which by all accounts is way too large, and which strangely made the horn very sharp. With the gap reduced to <.100" it's much better, although still slippery and still produces the known flat 2/3 valve combo sound.

Here are some photos...I'll update the thread when I have more to share. Oh, by the way, I found a woman who can do the engraving through Robb Stewart, and I spoke with her.

-tj in the Cruz Mtns

I took my mute and the Committee to my horn tech today and in less than 30 minutes he cut and glued another layer of cork on to the mute. It now has enough "standoff" or gap and the horn blows much more freely and sounds better. Problem solved.

-tj

The seller is a friend and someone whose integrity I can personally vouch for. I’m happy to conduct a play/visual examination as he is local. I’m also a Committee owner/player.

A friend of a dear friend had an old Blessing Artist that had belonged to her dad. She offered it to me and I graciously accepted it. It's a bit banged up but plays nicely. With a few dents removed and things straightened it will be a neat old horn. The serial number is 40756 which seems to indicate a pre-1946 build date (perhaps 44 or 45).

Curiously the horn came in a Conn case, which I'm assuming is non-original. Does anyone recognize the case?

-tj in the Cruz Mtns

@kehaulani

This discussion is similar to those that I have about watches and vintage Alfa Romeos, both products made in an era where things were written by hand if at all, which were manufactured in low numbers and which were never expected to become valuable, collectible items.

It’s true that people consider the best years of the Committee to be during the time period you cite. It’s also true that some people believe those same Committees are inferior to the Handcraft versions of the late 30s and early 40s. I’ve never played a Handcraft so I can’t comment on that, but logic would dictate that later horns would be better in terms of quality and consistency. Technology, metallurgy, assembly techniques and other macro-economic factors (post-war worker sentiment, pay, and empowerment) would seem to lead to a more efficient company, and thus a better product.

As for its quality, it remains a Martin Committee. You’re right that it probably shouldn’t be silver, although I’ve occasionally seen other silver examples. If it was made in 63 as the SN indicates, it is an RMC horn, but depending on the exact year of the acquisition, it could be that the case is year appropriate, although I can’t make out the “Wurlitzer badge” and you’re right, it’s not the tan case of the 50s.

What I do know is that I’ve got a fair number of hours on my 56, and that yesterday I played both back to back, and last night sat in my chair with one in each hand comparing them. My 56 is, as far as I can tell, nearly 100% original as the person I bought it from had owned it since 1964 and it was purchased used from a music store in that year.

The only differences I can find in the silver horn are the first valve “kicker” and the shape of the finger hook on the lead pipe, which is just a slightly more abbreviated “C” than on mine. The engraving is obviously new and was done after the horn was plated.

Shawn from Brass Cellar did not question its authenticity or value, stating that rebuilds are becoming more expensive and that the work on the horn alone probably cost $1500+.

What’s most important is the way it plays, and it plays beautifully. It is unmistakably “Committee” in every way, and again, very similar to the things we love and put up with when compared to my 56.

When I hold it in my hands I can’t feel like I am a fool for not buying it, because I don’t think I’ll ever find a better example of a Committee at any price.

-tj

Well I'm sad to see it gone...as others have pointed out, there was a lot of great information and personality to that forum. I owned a social networking domain and site once and we got Distributed Denial Of Service attacks numerous times, which would then cause the hosting service to take us offline. I hope that didn't happen to TM.

In any event, it's nice to see some familiar names here. I was "chiefgearhead" on TM.

-tj in the Cruz Mtns

I was playing a 2 valve G bugle but without a doubt my favorite musical memory was being part of the Santa Clara Vanguard 50th Anniversary Alumni Corps and our performance at the end of DCI Semi-Finals at Lucas Oil Stadium on August 11th, 2017.

-tj

Two vintage trumpet cases for sale. Neither one is terribly special as far as I'm aware, but they are vintage, and that's a thing right? I just can't bring myself throw them away, so hopefully someone will want them. The first was the case that my Martin Committee was in when the previous owner purchased it in 1964, so it dates back at least to that year. I have no idea what brand it is. No keys. $50 + shipping from Northern California.

The second is a Conn and as you can see, it's beat. Mildewy, no key, and the very definition of patina. $40 + shipping from Northern California.

-tj

@kehaulani

This discussion is similar to those that I have about watches and vintage Alfa Romeos, both products made in an era where things were written by hand if at all, which were manufactured in low numbers and which were never expected to become valuable, collectible items.

It’s true that people consider the best years of the Committee to be during the time period you cite. It’s also true that some people believe those same Committees are inferior to the Handcraft versions of the late 30s and early 40s. I’ve never played a Handcraft so I can’t comment on that, but logic would dictate that later horns would be better in terms of quality and consistency. Technology, metallurgy, assembly techniques and other macro-economic factors (post-war worker sentiment, pay, and empowerment) would seem to lead to a more efficient company, and thus a better product.

As for its quality, it remains a Martin Committee. You’re right that it probably shouldn’t be silver, although I’ve occasionally seen other silver examples. If it was made in 63 as the SN indicates, it is an RMC horn, but depending on the exact year of the acquisition, it could be that the case is year appropriate, although I can’t make out the “Wurlitzer badge” and you’re right, it’s not the tan case of the 50s.

What I do know is that I’ve got a fair number of hours on my 56, and that yesterday I played both back to back, and last night sat in my chair with one in each hand comparing them. My 56 is, as far as I can tell, nearly 100% original as the person I bought it from had owned it since 1964 and it was purchased used from a music store in that year.

The only differences I can find in the silver horn are the first valve “kicker” and the shape of the finger hook on the lead pipe, which is just a slightly more abbreviated “C” than on mine. The engraving is obviously new and was done after the horn was plated.

Shawn from Brass Cellar did not question its authenticity or value, stating that rebuilds are becoming more expensive and that the work on the horn alone probably cost $1500+.

What’s most important is the way it plays, and it plays beautifully. It is unmistakably “Committee” in every way, and again, very similar to the things we love and put up with when compared to my 56.

When I hold it in my hands I can’t feel like I am a fool for not buying it, because I don’t think I’ll ever find a better example of a Committee at any price.

-tj

The owner is local and a friend. Today I dropped off my Miyashiro to let him play for a week or so, and in exchange he let me take the Committee home.

I must say that it’s a damned fine horn. Playing it back to back against my 56 Deluxe Large Bore is interesting. We all rave about the Large Bore’s timbre, warmth and touch, and we buy in to the idea that only pre-1960 Committees are the best. This horn dispels those ideas.

At least for me, this horn retains nearly all of characteristics of my 56 Deluxe but has slightly easier to center intonation and without some of the distortion evident in certain valve combination slurs. If the “Committee flavor” is a 9 on my horn, this one is a 7 or an 8. It’s also curious how much heavier the silver plated horn is than my raw brass horn.

I don’t need two Committees but I want it. I talked to Shawn at Brass Cellar about it and he was impressed with its condition (from pictures) and wondered if Charlie had restored it (I don’t believe it was done by him)

-tj

The seller is a friend and someone whose integrity I can personally vouch for. I’m happy to conduct a play/visual examination as he is local. I’m also a Committee owner/player.

Be safe and come back soon! ️

-tj

My band leader was on that flight! She’s the one you refer to.

-tj

@Kehaulani

Hey brother,

Thanks for your editorial assistance!

It's a case that Eric wanted for his horn, and only available with his horn. I don't even know if Yamaha will sell them separately. You're supposed to be able to carry a flugelhorn and trumpet in it. I tried it once and didn't dig. I never used it because I have a Cronkite triple trumpet that I carry my flugel and trumpet in.

-tj

This Yamaha Miyashiro (Bb) in raw yellow brass, is in excellent condition and features a brand new OE Yamaha lead pipe that was installed by Yamaha Technicians at their repair facility. I've owned the horn for 2 years, and bought it from the original owner who bought it and a silver plated horn at the same time. That owner kept the silver horn and I bought this horn from him.

The horn has limited hours of playing on it, has been treated exceptionally carefully and is almost perfect. There is a tiny ping on the bell that's so hard to see you have to look for it. I can't even get a picture of it.

The original lead pipe got red rot in it and Yamaha replaced it under warranty. At that time I asked if they would be willing to strip the lacquer, which they did. You can either polish it or let it continue to gain patina. The last photo is of it upon return from Yamaha, and the rest are of it in its current appearance. It comes with the Miyahshiro case (virutally unused and in perfect condition) and Eric's mouthpiece.

This is an outstanding horn in just about every aspect. It's efficient, resonant, and I can get decent dark, round, notes out of it with the right approach, and yet it can be made shimmery and bright in the upper register with a different approach and mouthpiece.

I'm happy to answer any questions you may have or send additional photos.

$2000 +shipping and insurance anywhere in the CONUS.

-tj

I don't know how I missed this band but I'd never heard of them until I was looking at the results of the Grammys a few weeks ago. Since then I've probably listened to this record 40 or 50 times. I can't get enough of it. While I'm sad The Phat Band didn't get a nomination (The Gordian Knot is outstanding) I'm happy that someone is representing modern big band jazz with pride and ability.

Dig. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMHLjUzaCsWA0lS4AVtMroqiDJ2NjNqTE

-tj