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    • Kehaulani
      Kehaulani Credentialed Professional last edited by Kehaulani

      Can anybody speculate on what the heck might have made these marks on and around the valve blocks? It looks like somebody was wearing Brillo gloves.

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Martin-Committee-Trumpet-original-Lacquer-and-case-Dark-Warm-and-ready/323842177331?hash=item4b667f7933:g:kTkAAOSwpEldD-DI

      Benge 3X
      Martin Committee
      Getzen Capri Cornet
      Adams F-1 Flugelhorn

      "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn."
      Charlie Parker

      "Even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis, I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis."
      Chet Baker

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      • Newell Post
        Newell Post last edited by Newell Post

        Only a guess, but it doesn't look like "original lacquer" (as advertised). The bell is too shiny and pristine for a horn of that age with original lacquer. It looks like it might have been re-lacquered at some point without proper surface preparation around the valves.

        Bb: Bach 180S37G (05), Mercedes (80)
        Vintage: Committee (54), Recording (59), Super (49), Getzen Severinsen (66)
        C: Kanstul 1510, Constellation
        D/Eb: Getzen Eterna
        Cornet: Schilke XA1, Yamaha Neo Eb
        Flugel: Kanstul 1525, Yamaha 625
        Conch shell in F

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        • pss
          pss last edited by

          That's Edward's old Committee.
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          Profile picture © Paulo Buchinho (not me).

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            Trumpetsplus Qualified Repair Techs Credentialed Professional last edited by

            Nothing sinister. That is what old lacquer on a used trumpet looks like.

            Ivan Hunter
            Player, Designer, Builder, Writer, Teacher, Repairer
            Jaeger Trumpets
            Convener of Trumpet4Fun Trumpet Saturdays

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            • Kehaulani
              Kehaulani Credentialed Professional last edited by

              Ivan (glad to see you, BTW), so that's typical? Do you see anything amiss from those photos? Thanks.

              pss. ☺

              Benge 3X
              Martin Committee
              Getzen Capri Cornet
              Adams F-1 Flugelhorn

              "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn."
              Charlie Parker

              "Even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis, I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis."
              Chet Baker

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              • ROWUK
                ROWUK Veterans & Military Musicians Western Europe Group Monette Club last edited by

                That horn probably has a tone that peels paint - or lacquer...

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                  Trumpetsplus Qualified Repair Techs Credentialed Professional @Kehaulani last edited by

                  @Kehaulani I would want to see better photos of the underside of the beginning of the lead pipe. Looks like it has been serviced recently (newish looking valve felts and very clean valves). Pricey!

                  Ivan Hunter
                  Player, Designer, Builder, Writer, Teacher, Repairer
                  Jaeger Trumpets
                  Convener of Trumpet4Fun Trumpet Saturdays

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                  • Kehaulani
                    Kehaulani Credentialed Professional @Trumpetsplus last edited by

                    If the servicing was pricey, then the cost of the instrument is not proportional. Questionable?

                    Benge 3X
                    Martin Committee
                    Getzen Capri Cornet
                    Adams F-1 Flugelhorn

                    "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn."
                    Charlie Parker

                    "Even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis, I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis."
                    Chet Baker

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                    • Newell Post
                      Newell Post @Trumpetsplus last edited by Newell Post

                      @Trumpetsplus Ivan: I know you're an expert, but I have owned quite a few vintage horns and I have never had one where the bell looked very shiny, but the area around the valves had this weird craquelure / scratch look. You don't suppose the player actually had a prosthetic hand or something like that, do you?

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craquelure

                      Bb: Bach 180S37G (05), Mercedes (80)
                      Vintage: Committee (54), Recording (59), Super (49), Getzen Severinsen (66)
                      C: Kanstul 1510, Constellation
                      D/Eb: Getzen Eterna
                      Cornet: Schilke XA1, Yamaha Neo Eb
                      Flugel: Kanstul 1525, Yamaha 625
                      Conch shell in F

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                        Trumpetsplus Qualified Repair Techs Credentialed Professional @Newell Post last edited by

                        @Newell-Post any expertise I may have is certainly not in this area. Neither a cosmetician nor an aesthetician be I!

                        However, the engraving on the bell is so clear that I doubt that it has been reacquired. Relacquering requires buffing which removes metal.

                        Ivan Hunter
                        Player, Designer, Builder, Writer, Teacher, Repairer
                        Jaeger Trumpets
                        Convener of Trumpet4Fun Trumpet Saturdays

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                        • ?
                          A Former User last edited by A Former User

                          The marks are caused by the dreaded plastic valve cover that was supposed to protect the finish from the oils in the hand. The problem was leaving the thing on and a trumpet being for long periods of time in a hot environment, like the trunk of a car or more likely the storage under a bus, and usually in a case. I've seen that before. Doesn't seem to have affected the price the horn brought.

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                          • Kehaulani
                            Kehaulani Credentialed Professional @Guest last edited by

                            @Niner
                            If that's the case, why are the marks on adjacent tubing, as well?

                            Benge 3X
                            Martin Committee
                            Getzen Capri Cornet
                            Adams F-1 Flugelhorn

                            "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn."
                            Charlie Parker

                            "Even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis, I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis."
                            Chet Baker

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                              djeffers78 last edited by

                              Looks like old lacquer that was left after stripping the rest of the horn.

                              I’ve stripped a few and the valve block is the toughest part of the job

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                              • ?
                                A Former User @Kehaulani last edited by A Former User

                                @Kehaulani Ok... see what you mean now. But the worst is on the valve body. Maybe a plastic valve guard and then a flip music marching band folder with a plastic outside pressed against it in a case? Or....not. 🕵 example.jpg

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