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    • Kehaulani
      Kehaulani last edited by Kehaulani

      Can anybody speculate on what the heck might have made these marks on and around the valve blocks? It looks like somebody was wearing Brillo gloves.

      https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Martin-Committee-Trumpet-original-Lacquer-and-case-Dark-Warm-and-ready/323842177331?hash=item4b667f7933:g:kTkAAOSwpEldD-DI

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      • Newell Post
        Newell Post last edited by Newell Post

        Only a guess, but it doesn't look like "original lacquer" (as advertised). The bell is too shiny and pristine for a horn of that age with original lacquer. It looks like it might have been re-lacquered at some point without proper surface preparation around the valves.

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        • pss
          pss last edited by

          That's Edward's old Committee.
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          • T
            Trumpetsplus Qualified Repair Techs Credentialed Professional last edited by

            Nothing sinister. That is what old lacquer on a used trumpet looks like.

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            • Kehaulani
              Kehaulani last edited by

              Ivan (glad to see you, BTW), so that's typical? Do you see anything amiss from those photos? Thanks.

              pss. ☺

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              • ROWUK
                ROWUK last edited by

                That horn probably has a tone that peels paint - or lacquer...

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                  Trumpetsplus Qualified Repair Techs Credentialed Professional @Kehaulani last edited by

                  @Kehaulani I would want to see better photos of the underside of the beginning of the lead pipe. Looks like it has been serviced recently (newish looking valve felts and very clean valves). Pricey!

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                  • Kehaulani
                    Kehaulani @Trumpetsplus last edited by

                    If the servicing was pricey, then the cost of the instrument is not proportional. Questionable?

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                    • Newell Post
                      Newell Post @Trumpetsplus last edited by Newell Post

                      @Trumpetsplus Ivan: I know you're an expert, but I have owned quite a few vintage horns and I have never had one where the bell looked very shiny, but the area around the valves had this weird craquelure / scratch look. You don't suppose the player actually had a prosthetic hand or something like that, do you?

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craquelure

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                        Trumpetsplus Qualified Repair Techs Credentialed Professional @Newell Post last edited by

                        @Newell-Post any expertise I may have is certainly not in this area. Neither a cosmetician nor an aesthetician be I!

                        However, the engraving on the bell is so clear that I doubt that it has been reacquired. Relacquering requires buffing which removes metal.

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                        • ?
                          A Former User last edited by A Former User

                          The marks are caused by the dreaded plastic valve cover that was supposed to protect the finish from the oils in the hand. The problem was leaving the thing on and a trumpet being for long periods of time in a hot environment, like the trunk of a car or more likely the storage under a bus, and usually in a case. I've seen that before. Doesn't seem to have affected the price the horn brought.

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                          • Kehaulani
                            Kehaulani @Guest last edited by

                            @Niner
                            If that's the case, why are the marks on adjacent tubing, as well?

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                              djeffers78 last edited by

                              Looks like old lacquer that was left after stripping the rest of the horn.

                              I’ve stripped a few and the valve block is the toughest part of the job

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                              • ?
                                A Former User @Kehaulani last edited by A Former User

                                @Kehaulani Ok... see what you mean now. But the worst is on the valve body. Maybe a plastic valve guard and then a flip music marching band folder with a plastic outside pressed against it in a case? Or....not. 🕵 example.jpg

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