I would say most famous players started on what they could afford, then switched to a particular brand as they became famous, which was the objective of marketing policies when a brand sponsored the performer. This occurred with James, Armstrong, Hirt, Severinsen. The only famous performer I have met who started and ended with a single trumpet was Alpert, who loved his Benge. If industry standard is defined by prevalence, then Bach is the standard by which all other horns are judged. In the '70s, I never encountered an advanced student or pro orchestral trumpeter who did not have a Bach. Back then, we had many brands, but none gave the performance and sound of the Bach brand. Fast forward 50 years, today we have many brands that compete head to toe with Bach. This is perhaps driven by competition: economics; and the desire of players to have a "unique" sound. We are now, arguably, in a golden era for trumpets, when we have a very extensive and confusing array of trumpets available, the majority of high quality. In 1970, the choice was far simpler: for an orchestral sound, choose Bach. Today, the choice is very difficult for any student. By the time a person becomes a "pro", s/he will know what s/he wants in and out of a horn, so the choice can be narrowed. Overall, new horns are of much higher standard than the old beaters, for virtually all brands. But some pros want a certain performance. For students, the choice is usually between old or new, and then limited by price.

Posts made by grune
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RE: Brands used by Famous Players
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RE: Favorite Music
@dr-go Your comment, "isn't Communism a government based on economic theory", indicates a lack of comprehension and an assumption. But true, my comment indicates an assumption of your knowledge, also. My comment was not intended as an insult, which you have taken as such, so apologies are in order. Now, as for reasons why the USA entered WW2, I opine the main reason was to seize the opportunity to usurp the British Empire and take over as the global hegemon. Prior to entry, American capitalists funded both sides. So yes, I will agree with your premise Americans fought the war primarily for economic reasons.
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RE: Favorite Music
@dr-go
Well, not exactly. WW1 and WW2 were fought because of greed. Economics is more than greed. Greed results in imperialism, which, when of sufficient scale, can dictate the terms of an economics system. When not constrained by imperialists, economics is a natural function of human interactions. Communism per se is not a government, nor is it based upon economics: it is a theory, much like Capitalism is a theory. If you are American, undoubtedly you have not been educated in the true goals of Marx's theory, and your knowledge comes from the incessant propaganda bombarded upon you, resulting in belief, not knowledge. You may be surprised to learn Marx did not advocate the destruction of capital nor of capitalism. What you call communism is that form of government invented by Lenin, not by Marx, and later expanded by Stalin. This form of government had very little to do with the Manifesto of the Communist Party, as Lenin was a Bolshevik. You may be further surprised to learn the Bolsheviks were not ethnic Russians. -
RE: Favorite Music
@stumac agree. As I say, Lay has reproduced the era in his music, very remarkably well. Who else today has that voice? It is not so hard to imagine oneself in a local pub, beer in hand, standing around the piano with comrades, singing the chorus to Pack Up Your Troubles.
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RE: Favorite Music
@dr-go uh, then why did America invade Korea and Vietnam? Korea was not a combatant in WW2, and Vietnam never threatened USA in any way, and neither had much economic value to the USA.
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RE: Favorite Music
@ssmith1226 All very true. As much as I wish to, I shall refrain from adding comments about wars, to respect the TB rules banning politics. What is war if not politics? Well, you seem to agree the song and performance by Lay, with his magnificent voice, is indeed moving, so I believe I have made my points about the performance, message, politics. I believe truly, were the world ruled by musicians, we would not have wars.
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RE: 18,000 Year Old Trumpet Breaks Wind
Incredible it survived, it was found intact, and could be played. I have my doubts though we are hearing the original tone. After 18.000 years, the shell will have ossified and thus will not vibrate the same. And how do we know this is 18,000 years old and someone actually blew it? Regardless, an incredible find.
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RE: Favorite Music
I like a wide variety, so difficult to decide favourites. The thread topic is special and moving.
For special, I consider any artist/s who can capture the mood and essence of a time gone by to be special and rather unique. There are many reasons for this: change in humans from a century of GMO foods; and lack of the talent/sensitivity required for that earlier time.
Nathan Lay is an excellent baritone who has captured the essence and mood of 1916, and can evoke tears by singing a simple melody written as a warning to us.
For a light hearted example, listen to his rendition of Pack up Troubles. For a message, listen to Waltzing Matilda, carefully, and tell me honestly if you have no reaction to the words, voice, and music. I have, in a lifetime, heard only 2 other people to accomplish such essence and mood.
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RE: Famous Signature Songs
@dr-go
if 'famous' and 'signature', then...Herb Alpert: Lonely Bull
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RE: Vintage Bach Club
@dale-proctor said in Vintage Bach Club:
@grune said in Vintage Bach Club:
vintage
noun
1: a season's yield of wine from a vineyard
2: the oldness of wineseach year is a vintage. how is this related to trumpets?
You left one out...
3 a : a period of origin or manufacture : a piano of 1845 vintage
__b : length of existence : AGEso which year is a Bach vintage?
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RE: Vintage Bach Club
vintage
noun
1: a season's yield of wine from a vineyard
2: the oldness of wineseach year is a vintage. how is this related to trumpets?
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RE: New Player has entered the Game
@GeorgeB agree entirely. enthusiasm is the most important factor.
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RE: New Player has entered the Game
@GeorgeB I know well the trumpet he bought, having been to the factory that made it. All Thomann horns are made in China. Some Bach horns are made in China. One Thomann model is made in the factory that makes Bach oem. I shall not disclose who and where, as I wish to avoid liability for libel or such. The horn pictured is decent for a student. I would not describe it as fantastic. It has resistance and intonation issues, and has a bright somewhat thin tone, and feels uncomfortable in my hands. Mechanically very good. A mature player will want something better. The Thomann price is many times more than factory. The Bach price even more times more. If the owner is happy with it, that's all that counts.
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RE: Third valve
@Curlydoc
https://trumpetboards.com/topic/747/jerome-wiss-6-20-trumpetThe Wiss line claims to have obviated the need for tuning slides.
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RE: Hello! Welcome to TB, who are you?
@BigDub - incorrect. The breeds were named after the province, not vice versa.