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I CANNOT FIND STILL WHO PERFORMED THE LEAD TRUMPET FOR THE LONESOME DOVE SOUNDTRACK.

Updated list, by trumpeter

Trumpeters featured in Movies and Television
Green Hornet Al Hirt
The Boss' Wife Allan Vizzutti:
Jonathon Livingston Seagull Bill Peterson
There Was a Crooked Man Bill Peterson
The Newlywed Game Bob Findley
The Odd Couple Bob Findley
Johnny Quest Bud Brisbois
The Dating Game Bud Brisbois
Bob Newhart Show Buddy Childers
Mary Tyler Moore Buddy Childers
The Sting Buddy Childers
Jurrasic Park Burnette Dillon
Chicago Hope Cal Price
Ed Sullivan Show Chris Griffen
Lush Life Chuck Findley
Bird Conte Candoli
Sweet Smell of Success Conte Candoli
Sweet Smell of Success Conte Candoli
Walton's Reunion TV show Dave Washburn
Pete Kelly's Blues Dick Cathcart
Gypsy Dick Perry
Ice Castles Doc Severinsen
The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh Doc Severinsen
Many Loves of Dobie Gillis Don Fagerquist
The Changeling Gabriel Johnson
Chips Gary Grant
Simpson's Gary Grant
Simpson's Gary Grant, Jerry Hey, Charley Davis
The Great Waldo Pepper Graham Young
Walton's original TV show Graham Young
Young man with a Horn Harry James
The Dating Game Herb Alpert
Mike Hammer Jack Sheldon
Grand Canyon Fanfare Jerry Hey
Godfather Jimmy Maxwell
The Gauntlet Jon Faddis
Courage Under Fire Jon Lewis / duet with Dave Washburn
Cotton Club Lew Soloff
L. A. Confidential Malcolm McNab
West Wing Malcolm McNab
Dances With Wolves Malcolm McNab / film .. Charley Davis / trailers
A River Runs Through It Mark Isham
The Black Dahlia Mark Isham
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid Marvin Stamm
Uncle Joe Shannon Maynard Ferguson
The Adventures of Beans Baxter Maynard Ferguson
Jetsons Pete Candoli
Snowdogs Rick Baptist
Beauty and the Beast Roy Poper
Children of a Lesser God Roy Poper
Sanford and Son Snooky Young
Pete Kelly's Blue's Teddy Bruckner
Saving Private Ryan Thomas Rolfs
Apollo 13 Tim Morrison
Bobby Tim Morrison
Born on the 4th of July Tim Morrison
Duplicity Tim Morrison
Nixon Tim Morrison
The Patriot Tim Morrison
The Magician Tony Terran ( piccolo trpt )
Dudley Do Right Uan Racey
West Side Story Uan Racey, Pete Candoli
Chinatown Uan Rasey
True Grit 1969 Uan Rasey
Dynasty Uan Rasey
Room 222 Uan Rasey
Jackie Gleason Show Vinnie Tanno
Hill Street Blues Walt Johnson
Return To Me Warren Luening
The Carol Burnett Show Warren Luening
The River Warren Luening
Final Jeopardy Wayne Bergeron
Sinatra ( 1992 ) Wayne Bergeron

Updated list, by title

Trumpeters featured in Movies and Television
A River Runs Through It Mark Isham
Apollo 13 Tim Morrison
Beauty and the Beast Roy Poper
Bird Conte Candoli
Bob Newhart Show Buddy Childers
Bobby Tim Morrison
Born on the 4th of July Tim Morrison
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid Marvin Stamm
Chicago Hope Cal Price
Children of a Lesser God Roy Poper
Chinatown Uan Rasey
Chips Gary Grant
Cotton Club Lew Soloff
Courage Under Fire Jon Lewis / duet with Dave Washburn
Dances With Wolves Malcolm McNab / film .. Charley Davis / trailers
Dudley Do Right Uan Racey
Duplicity Tim Morrison
Dynasty Uan Rasey
Ed Sullivan Show Chris Griffen
Final Jeopardy Wayne Bergeron
Godfather Jimmy Maxwell
Grand Canyon Fanfare Jerry Hey
Green Hornet Al Hirt
Gypsy Dick Perry
Hill Street Blues Walt Johnson
Ice Castles Doc Severinsen
Jackie Gleason Show Vinnie Tanno
Jetsons Pete Candoli
Johnny Quest Bud Brisbois
Jonathon Livingston Seagull Bill Peterson
Jurrasic Park Burnette Dillon
L. A. Confidential Malcolm McNab
Lush Life Chuck Findley
Many Loves of Dobie Gillis Don Fagerquist
Mary Tyler Moore Buddy Childers
Mike Hammer Jack Sheldon
Nixon Tim Morrison
Pete Kelly's Blue's Teddy Bruckner
Pete Kelly's Blues Dick Cathcart
Return To Me Warren Luening
Room 222 Uan Rasey
Sanford and Son Snooky Young
Saving Private Ryan Thomas Rolfs
Simpson's Gary Grant
Simpson's Gary Grant, Jerry Hey, Charley Davis
Sinatra ( 1992 ) Wayne Bergeron
Snowdogs Rick Baptist
Sweet Smell of Success Conte Candoli
Sweet Smell of Success Conte Candoli
The Adventures of Beans Baxter Maynard Ferguson
The Black Dahlia Mark Isham
The Boss' Wife Allan Vizzutti:
The Carol Burnett Show Warren Luening
The Changeling Gabriel Johnson
The Dating Game Herb Alpert
The Dating Game Bud Brisbois
The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh Doc Severinsen
The Gauntlet Jon Faddis
The Great Waldo Pepper Graham Young
The Magician Tony Terran ( piccolo trpt )
The Newlywed Game Bob Findley
The Odd Couple Bob Findley
The Patriot Tim Morrison
The River Warren Luening
The Sting Buddy Childers
There Was a Crooked Man Bill Peterson
True Grit 1969 Uan Rasey
Uncle Joe Shannon Maynard
Walton's original TV show Graham Young
Walton's Reunion TV show Dave Washburn
West Side Story Uan Racey, Pete Candoli
West Wing Malcolm McNab
Young man with a Horn Harry James

Might we create a thread for posterity, by documenting who are the soloists on recordings and soundtracks?

Example:
Song - Oh My Papa. Vocalist - Eddie Fischer. Trumpet - ?? Margolis.

Question:
Who is the trumpet soloist for the soundtrack, Lonesome Dove?

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Gleason with Hackett. Long, slow passages with full range are more difficult to play than they sound. Ya gotta have real chops. Nowadays, who could do this? Most I hear run up and down scales like an angry bee. Slow and mellow is gone, 'cause the likes of Hackett are gone.

@vulgano-brother me too, I have a megatone-looking 3c from an unknown Chinese mfgr, for about $7 new. For mine, compared to the genuine Bach 3C I have ca 1972, I would say the cup width is same, the bite sharper, and cup depth deeper. The sound is a tad darker and more brassy, and it is more difficult to play above the staff. The build quality is better; better silver plating. The B 3C gives a sweeter sound at pianissimo, much louder sound at forte, and is easier above the staff. For $7, price can't be beat. I bought it to experiment with the weight and sound. I do like the extra weight as a counter balance; the horn balances better in my hands.

@curlydoc I blew a few JP models a music fest. heavy horns, very average, nothing stands out to commend them. I found the price too high against competitors.

@j-jericho the drummer is THE show !

@tjcombo these days, I imagine a treatment for ingrown toenails would be political.

@georgeb My experience with the unbranded OEM model was exactly the same: a very nice horn in all respects, except above the staff.

@rowuk You are 100% correct. The very definition of OEM is made-to-order. For self-label, the Chinese will build to what sells. This is purest form of capitalism: supply to demand. The Chinese are more than capable of producing the finest quality in just about everything. They don't often, because they know to go against top brands means to carve into a very entrenched, consumer psyche. When I visited the OEM manufacturer for Bach, I trialled a self-branded horn that was equal, if not better, to my Strad. Such a horn will never be sold in NA, due to cost and price; who would pay a near-Bach price for a near Bach, when for a bit more you could have the real Bach? Such 'commercialism' is not confined to instruments. Mercedes-Benz tried to compete with Rolls Royce, by offering the Maybach. Maybach was an excellent vehicle, technically superior to the Rolls in all aspects. Rolls continued to sell, while the Maybach did not. Toyota can make the finest automobile too, and created a new brand to sell them. The Chinese have learned this lesson well.

@administrator You should note, upon reading the ad for the TR5000, no claims for made in USA. The TR3000 has a seamless bell. As far as I know, the seamless bells are made in China. Indeed, when I held a TR3000 in my hands, it was identical to the OEM trumpet produced by the same factory that makes the TR5000. This is not to denigrate the TR line; they are fine trumpets in all respects and more than sufficient for a serious student. But it is to say Bach does have an OEM manufacturer.

Bach has an office in China, specifically for quality control inspection of the TR500 made in China by one factory.

@j-jericho I think you are correct. The horn pictured indeed seems to be a Besson. James did play a Selmer ca 1950. Long ago I came across a beat up Besson Brevete, priced at what today would be next to nothing. It had a good sound, but the condition prevented any serious play. I had no repair techie within a thousand miles, so I passed. Today, I regret not buying the horn. Similar story for a Selmer balanced. Hind sight is always 20/20.

Another example is the Canadian Brass. I met the CB shortly after their historic performance in China. At the time, Romm and Mills performed on Bach trumpets, ca 1976. I cannot recall exactly which brands the others used. I think Watts had a Bach, and Page had a Selmer. Cannot guess what Daellenbach used for tuba (but then, who thinks about tubas?). Each owned his instrument. Later, ca 1983, I noted the entire group performed on gold-plated Yamaha instruments, given under sponsorship. I heard them twice in live performances, and noted in the 1980s gig the overall timbre of the trumpets was brighter than in the 1970s. I was very surprised to see and hear Yamaha in the CB. I trialled Yamaha in the 1970s, and very disliked the trumpets. But I knew Yamaha was spending large resources to improve, so maybe I should not have been surprised. Yamaha is certainly a success story.

I would say most famous players started on what they could afford, then switched to a particular brand as they became famous, which was the objective of marketing policies when a brand sponsored the performer. This occurred with James, Armstrong, Hirt, Severinsen. The only famous performer I have met who started and ended with a single trumpet was Alpert, who loved his Benge. If industry standard is defined by prevalence, then Bach is the standard by which all other horns are judged. In the '70s, I never encountered an advanced student or pro orchestral trumpeter who did not have a Bach. Back then, we had many brands, but none gave the performance and sound of the Bach brand. Fast forward 50 years, today we have many brands that compete head to toe with Bach. This is perhaps driven by competition: economics; and the desire of players to have a "unique" sound. We are now, arguably, in a golden era for trumpets, when we have a very extensive and confusing array of trumpets available, the majority of high quality. In 1970, the choice was far simpler: for an orchestral sound, choose Bach. Today, the choice is very difficult for any student. By the time a person becomes a "pro", s/he will know what s/he wants in and out of a horn, so the choice can be narrowed. Overall, new horns are of much higher standard than the old beaters, for virtually all brands. But some pros want a certain performance. For students, the choice is usually between old or new, and then limited by price.

@dr-go Your comment, "isn't Communism a government based on economic theory", indicates a lack of comprehension and an assumption. But true, my comment indicates an assumption of your knowledge, also. My comment was not intended as an insult, which you have taken as such, so apologies are in order. Now, as for reasons why the USA entered WW2, I opine the main reason was to seize the opportunity to usurp the British Empire and take over as the global hegemon. Prior to entry, American capitalists funded both sides. So yes, I will agree with your premise Americans fought the war primarily for economic reasons.

@dr-go
Well, not exactly. WW1 and WW2 were fought because of greed. Economics is more than greed. Greed results in imperialism, which, when of sufficient scale, can dictate the terms of an economics system. When not constrained by imperialists, economics is a natural function of human interactions. Communism per se is not a government, nor is it based upon economics: it is a theory, much like Capitalism is a theory. If you are American, undoubtedly you have not been educated in the true goals of Marx's theory, and your knowledge comes from the incessant propaganda bombarded upon you, resulting in belief, not knowledge. You may be surprised to learn Marx did not advocate the destruction of capital nor of capitalism. What you call communism is that form of government invented by Lenin, not by Marx, and later expanded by Stalin. This form of government had very little to do with the Manifesto of the Communist Party, as Lenin was a Bolshevik. You may be further surprised to learn the Bolsheviks were not ethnic Russians.