@Dr-Mark said in Playing Like A Girl:
@Kehaulani said in Playing Like A Girl:
In the past, I remember in high school, one of the best trumpet players in the state was convinced by her trumpet teacher to switch in her senior year to Horn because she "didn't have any balls".
Hi Kehaulani,
That's why I had her to take and belt in ju-jitsu.
- Boys are generally bigger and stronger
- Boys are usually faster
- Boys can be jerks
First 20 seconds of this video should be relevant.
@SSmith1226 said in Playing Like A Girl:
...the talented teenage trumpet player is Dr. Mark’s Daughter.
OK, well we won't hold that against her!
@Niner said in Lead found in brass horn mouthpieces:
@Dr-GO
It was just a case of one thing leads to another. I don't know jack about medicine in actual point of fact other than some manufacturers really rip you off with the cost.....just because they can.
So true and more often then we would want to believe. And that is why God created politicians, to help protect us from this mess, right? Yeah right!
@Niner said in Lead found in brass horn mouthpieces:
@Dr-GO ...What makes you think all the workers in these unsupervised establishments have the degree you mention?.
As is the case with medical practitioners, this is a situation where regulation requirements vary state by state. So I cannot comment on ALL workers. I suggest you contact your State Medical Board to get a definitive answer.
@Niner said in Lead found in brass horn mouthpieces:
@Dr-GO said in Lead found in brass horn mouthpieces:
@Dr-Mark said in Lead found in brass horn mouthpieces:
Hi Niner,
Yes, I'm familiar with Compounding Pharmacies but what I didn't know is that they are free of FDA scrutiny. That's scary.Too many variables to monitor. Compounding is more an art than a science. Let's give credit to Pharmacy schools that train these individuals. The one regulatory help toward making compounding safer (not by government but by our educational system) is a PharmD degree is now required.
I take it you didn't watch the link I posted. That system, without any meaningful checks, has made a lot of crooks happy and some patients dead and probably put a dent in a few unsuspecting doctors insurance rates.
Niner. I did take a close watch. Remember the link is a comedy production. I think health issues need to be discussed and debated by more than just comedians (although I am a BIG fan of John Oliver). Again, the benefit of having the ability to compound pharmaceuticals for individuals that sadly are unable to get regulated medications outweigh the risks. And with that said, even many of the regulated over the counter medications with the best medical evidence, does little to change outcomes of common diseases (such as the "common cold") and contribute more to extreme risk which is why agencies such as the American Academy of Pediatrics puts out information to member physicians (and the public) to help dampen the volume of antihistamines and decongestants that are miss used in treating infants and toddlers.
@Comeback said in How about a "Random Meaningless Image...let's see them string"?:
Are congratulations in order? If so, congratulations Gary!
Jim
Thanks, Jim. Yes after 27 years of working in the "Academic" world, I decided to practice in the "real world". Should have made this decision years ago. I LOVE my patients and really get a chance to see my treatments turn around individuals life on a more rapid time scale and at a higher volume. You know, I really did go into medicine to help people, and this new gig reinforces that behavior.
In addition, I am still receiving a salary from my academic institution until I turn 65, AND the salary from this practice position, so making two salaries as a physician is another congratulatory benefit! Just think of all the Haarrelson Trumpets I can now buy for myself and for gifting!
@Niner
He must be Eruo-pee'n
@Dr-Mark said in Lead found in brass horn mouthpieces:
Hi Niner,
Yes, I'm familiar with Compounding Pharmacies but what I didn't know is that they are free of FDA scrutiny. That's scary.
Too many variables to monitor. Compounding is more an art than a science. Let's give credit to Pharmacy schools that train these individuals. The one regulatory help toward making compounding safer (not by government but by our educational system) is a PharmD degree is now required.
@Dr-Mark said in Jaw Position and the Upper Register:
@Dr-GO said in Jaw Position and the Upper Register:
Mark. Why are you getting so upset about two different techniques.
I'm not. I'm just disappointed that someone of your trumpet standing would decide to side track people that may want to learn how to play in the upper regiter. Still waiting for the video. As for me, I'll stick with what works and that's not a vertical smile embouchure whatever that is.
Kehaulani was right. Time to put this to rest.
I posted the PICTURES comparing the two of our faces. I have posted the video before and will post it again with me using this technique:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HaK1sYi5_cfSw3C1N7Hv-Y9oA3PliAaR/view?fbclid=IwAR0ZCpLI_32R1CEBD7OfRHGJXdOkTj-MfoG6pd1to15Fy0zjW460ehCJ27Q
My point is that my discussion shows there is another track that can be taken as how you can play the upper register without working the jaw so hard. That is not a side track, but rather allowing for the reader of this thread to have a direct comparison to try to understand why the jaw becomes so important in the M or lateral smile or Jon Ruff method. OK
@Dr-Mark said in Jaw Position and the Upper Register:
@Dr-GO said in Jaw Position and the Upper Register:
Jon Ruff's instructional video about jaw placement and upper register DOES NOT APPLY to the vertical smile technique.
@Dr. Mark says: "Let's cut through the crap and quit wasting time."
Then fine Dr. Mark... As it appears by your definition, then it is you that is posting the crap? It is you posting the evidence that is proving my point. If you want to call this crap than so be it, but I feel your input is more important that this and I do not see you personally as posting crap.
You are playing the traditional lateral smile, and yes it is hard to change that. But for you to say you cannot get the results of the vertical smile after one try, or perhaps 15 minutes and saying it does not work is a bit premature. It took me weeks to perfect this embouchure so I could retrain the zygomitic muscles to optimally contract. Dr. Mark, muscle does not adapt in one session. On average it takes 6 weeks of constant "muscle building" to get good control of muscle groups.
THAT IS BASIC MUSCLE PHYSIOLOGY 101. And contrary to your opinion, I do not believe this discussion is a waist of time but is providing a great learning opportunity to those reading this. There are other ways of playing an embouchure, and Jon Ruff is simply educating people, in a nice video, a traditional way.
I am trying to educate people watching this thread with a PhD and MD at the end of my name, as there is a more efficient way of using an embouchure (note I did not say better, I said more efficient). Tine found this out from years of playing. Again, listen to her video you posted. She says "I can't buzz" and then Phwoooos. She has discovered on her own how to be more efficient and is using the same muscle groups as I am using. She cannot teach it because she may have not taught 10 years of muscle physiology at a medical school as I have done. I can put what she and I do into a physiological an anatomical context and I do not see this as crap, but as a learning opportunity.
So Dr. Mark, if you don't want to commit to actually learning how to do a vertical smile, I respect that, but please let's have some respect for the educational process that I do believe this thread is delivering... Yours through traditional glasses, and mine though thinking outside of the box..... OK?
@Dr-Mark said in Jaw Position and the Upper Register:
Video yourself doing the same thing on the trumpet that Jon is doing but use your embouchure and we'll put them side by side and compare and contrast.
Good Luck!
Mark. Why are you getting so upset about two different techniques. Jon even says that one embouchure does not necessarily apply to all:
Look at Jon's embouchure in a freeze frame from his video:
There is a beak in his face laterally (in his case dimples) That is because his insertion is going into the direction of the jaw ramus. That IS the horizontal or buzzing smile.
For me, there is no discontinuation of the continue of my face in the lateral projection (blue circle). The cheek is puffed up (red arrow) as these are the muscles I am using.
@Dr-GO said in Jaw Position and the Upper Register:
@Dr-Mark said in Jaw Position and the Upper Register:
@Dr-GO said in Jaw Position and the Upper Register:
...You've discussed the vertical smile embouchure. How does the embouchure you advocate relate to Jon Ruff's instructional video about jaw placement and the upper register?
Can you move the jaw with this embrochure? Sure, if you want to. I sometimes recruit the "frown muscles" to do this as it give the horn a darker tone, almost flugelhorn in character.
I once demonstrated the sound I could get on my Olds Recording by relaxing and opening the lower jaw by having Keigo, our keyboardist, with his eyes closed to tell me if I was using my trumpet or flugelhorn. Then played my Recording. He said quickly... "Oh that's your flugelhorn". When he opened his eyes and saw the trumpet, my reply to him was: "Ok, now make your acoustic piano sound like a B-3!
@Dr-Mark said in Jaw Position and the Upper Register:
@Dr-GO said in Jaw Position and the Upper Register:
...You've discussed the vertical smile embouchure. How does the embouchure you advocate relate to Jon Ruff's instructional video about jaw placement and the upper register?
Jaw placement is no longer an issue with the vertical smile. AGAIN DR. MARK LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM:
Do you see the insertions on the upper part of the orbicularuis? THAT INSERTION IS ABOVE THE JAW. Can you move the jaw with this embrochure? Sure, if you want to. I sometimes recruit the "frown muscles" to do this as it give the horn a darker tone, almost flugelhorn in character.
Jon Ruff's instructional video about jaw placement and upper register DOES NOT APPLY to the vertical smile technique. The vertical smile does it all. If you all want to work harder at the upper register, then do the traditional lateral smile and make it Ruff on yourself.
@Dr-Mark said in Jaw Position and the Upper Register:
@Dr-GO said in Jaw Position and the Upper Register:
Tine Thing - as during an interview she stated: I do not buzz, but sound more like Phwoooo
Could you post that interview so we can better understand? You stated
"Tine Thing - as during an interview she stated: "I do not buzz""
Tina and at 22:34 she talks about buzzing. She then demonstrates buzzing the mouthpiece
Yes. Her actual quote is "I can't buzz". And then she says I do this... and Phwoooos. Thanks for proving my point. Listen again Dr. Mark and do not let your bias get the best of you, Yes?
@Niner said in How about a "Random Meaningless Image...let's see them string"?:
PhD in Chemistry? Are you a fan of Breaking Bad?
More of a fan of... Just Breaking Air....
@Kehaulani said in Lead found in brass horn mouthpieces:
@Niner said in Lead found in brass horn mouthpieces:
...but you almost always don't get what you don't pay for.
Hmmm... there are at least 11 women that I have"been" with for at least one night that would refute this.
@Dr-Mark said in Jaw Position and the Upper Register:
@Dr-GO said in Jaw Position and the Upper Register:
I am the one who created it, after a decade of teaching muscle physiology and writing teaching modules for the histology and physiology curriculum at our medical school, it just made sense.
...You might want to post it as a NEW TOPIC so people will know about it and can ask intelligent (and otherwise) questions about it..
Why do this? If it is not publicized, then it will only be me (and Tine Thing - as during an interview she stated: I do not buzz, but sound more like Phwoooo) that uses it and together WE WILL DOMINATE THE TRUMPET WORLD.... Mwahahahaaaaaaa!
@Dr-Mark said in Jaw Position and the Upper Register:
@Dr-GO said in Jaw Position and the Upper Register:
the Phwoooooo technique (the sound made by using this embouchure).
So if a person wishes to attempt your vertical smile embouchure, all they would need to do is to form the lips by saying "Phoooooo" instead of "M"?
Yes, unless they want to say PhooooooM.
And isn't there a Christmas Carol that goes: PhooooooM, PhooooooM, PhooooooM. That would be a prefect embouchure for that one.
@Dr-Mark said in Jaw Position and the Upper Register:
@Kehaulani said in Jaw Position and the Upper Register:
Can anyone point me to a source of information on vertical embouchure. I'm still at odds with the term.
I did a fairly deep Internet search and could find nothing. The only thing I could find was that the smile embouchure is a flawed or faulty approach. Your best bet is to ask Dr-GO in a chat. He can tell you where and how.
Dr. Mark.... Can you give one of your TH members credit. You won't find it on the internet. I am the one who created it, after a decade of teaching muscle physiology and writing teaching modules for the histology and physiology curriculum at our medical school, it just made sense. Half way through that decade of teaching on facial muscles, I had that light bulb moment in studying the insertion of muscle groups in the face that I came up with the vertical smile concept, also referred to as the Phwoooooo technique (the sound made by using this embouchure). So you won't find it on the internet. You will find it only here and on TM were originally described it.
It is the most amazing change I have made in my embouchure, and my motivation was playing the original charts we were writing in Eddie Brookshire's Quintet. Using this approach was the only way I could survive a 4 hour gig with that ensemble.
