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@Anthony-Lenzo said in Student trumpet:

...I should not have sold it. But thinking back it went to a cute little boy whose dad wanted him to have a good trumpet. Now in retrospect I am happy for the little guy as I write this .It is a good trumpet why shouldn't he have it.

Sounds to me you have done a beginning trumpet player a good service. The trade off is you may have precluded your use of this horn to have been of some benefit to you.

Let me explain, I had an Olds Ambassador and bequeathed it to my brother that abused the heck out of it in marching band. He returned it to me decades later and I decided to refurbish it, perhaps for my own use, perhaps for resale. The refurbished horn when returned looked great but played even better than I ever remembered. I decided to keep it. It is now my third most played horn in my collection.

I take it with me on vacations as if it is stolen or lost, it is the least valuable horn in my collection (except for my Pocket Trumpet). It has served me well on many trips, business and vacation, and many travels when I was not needing to play professionally. So for this reason, I have kept it and am glad I have.

@Dale-Proctor said in Oiling trumpet:

@Shifty said in Oiling trumpet:

@Dr-GO
I had a co-worker who went through college on a band scholarship. He said their entire trumpet section used STP as a slide lubricant.

I can’t imagine that working unless they thinned it out with some other oil. STP is as thick and stringy as honey.

It did work well. The drop of red colored solution was thinner than my UltraPure oil.

@Gendreauj Thank you for your input and kind help , Anthony

@barliman2001 said in Calicchio trumpets:

Several reasons come to mind...

Many professionals have been contracted as Signature Artists - they get paid (sometimes huge sums) to play on a certain manufacturer's horns, and endorse them. Their personal horns are then crafted to whatever specification they prefer. So it may well be that some professionals are playing Committee clones - we just don't know.

True enough. I had the tremendous honor to play a concert with Allen Vizzutti and during rehearsal in which I played my Committee, Allen came over to me to say he really admired that horn and until coming over to being a Yamaha sponsored musician, was playing the Committee.

Till Bronner and I also had the chance to play together and he too shared his admiration for the Committee. He is also a Yamaha sponsored musician.

I have had three Committtees, all good horns. Better than other horns I've also had? No. And I kept exchanging them for different horns.

I suppose there are two factors. 1) how do you want to use it? 2) do you have "mad money"?

@ROWUK I understand no problem.thank you

@Jolter

Absolutely correct Jolter Monster Oil is marked aspiration hazard.

The problem is health and safety has decreed that all products must be marked aspiration hazard even if there is no evidence that there is a hazard.

This is a legal issue to guard against litigation.

For example disinfectant that kills 100% of germs has to be labelled kills 99% of germs.

No manufacturer is allowed to claim that a disinfectant kills 100% of germs. However a disinfectant that does not kill 100% of germs is useless. They all kill 100% but they are required to say they dont.

Industry is often forced to make ridiculous claims of risk where risk is simply not there, to satisfy ill conceived legislation and by doing so remove threats that simply dont exist.

Tea cozys for example those are the fabric insulators placed over and around tea pots and coffee pots

In 2001, a government report in the UK found that tea cozies were responsible for about 40 emergency hospital treatments each year. The report also found that accidents involving tea cozies had doubled in recent years.

I cannot find any numbers of aspiration hazard from light oils. I can only find 46 cases of inhilation of oil following major oil spills.

A conclusion we can draw is tea cozys carry a similar risk to aspiration or inhilation risk following all global oil spills.

The risk is so slight as to carry no records of any suffering of this risk.

Water carries an aspiration hazard. There are many cases of drowning each year. Water however has not come under scrutiny by the legislators yet.

235,000 people drown every year. This suggests a trumpet player is 235,000 times more likely to die from using water as they are from using valve oil.

Additionally RV's carry a warning to avoid leaving the drivers seat while driving the vehicle. This was following Grazinski V Winnebago when Grazinski left the driving seat to make a cup of coffee while driving at speed and the cruise control was on.

His argument was that it was not stated in the owners manual that drivers should not leave the wheel while driving at speed on the highway.

So yes there is a warning on all oils that an aspiration hazard exists. And it is there not because there is a hazard but because it is required by law for all oils to carry this warning.

It was in 2020 and 2021 that oil manufacturers were forced to place aspiration hazard warnings on their products. You may recall that many products changed their labeling at that time.

Before that time many products did not carry that warning. Does that mean they carried no hazard before 2020 or 2021. The warning was and is a legal requirement and is not due to any quantified risk. It is just the class of products that now require the warning.

For this reason we cannot assume there is a real aspiration hazard simply because it is marked as such.

As I said earlier I have not performed any testing on Monster oil caution is always recommended.

Apart from this very minor disagreement I heartily approve of and agree with your posts on this topic.

I would add that I have never suffered any ill effects of using copious amounts of oils on trumpet including within the lead pipe.

I have never seen any evidence in cases of musicians using valve oil.

I have seen cases of children drinking paraffin based valve oil and then suffering difficulties.

I would also agree that WD40 is in no way safe.

In fact WD means water displacement. This product displaces water and removes it from any surface it falls upon.

Water makes up 75% of the lungs, to place a water displacing product into the lungs is likely to lead to a swift death. I agree with you on this product and would go much further.

WD40 should not be allowed anywhere near the body in my opinion. It believe it is far more dangerous than any traditional valve oil.

Believing WD40 to be food safe is in my opinion similar to believing that my left foot is a pecan pie. But thats just me.

Its not a pecan pie.

@Dale-Proctor hah that's good Conjunction Junction..Merv could have been a little bit nicer to Jack..Jack IS was a great trumpet player.

A poem I just found that puts into perspective, Ohio in the winter:

A WINTER POEM

It's winter in OHIO
And the gentle breezes blow
Seventy miles an hour
At five below.
Oh, how I love OHIO
When the snow's up to your butt
You take a breath of winter
And your nose gets frozen shut.
Yes,
The weather here is wonderful
So I guess I'll hang around
I could never leave OHIO
Cuz I'm frozen to the ground!

@Trumpetb Lol I thank you for your information , very kind everyone.thanks Anthony

All you have to do is drag-n-drop. Super easy.

I have owned many vintage student horns including a Conn Director Coprion trumpet.
Many of the non professional horns were not taken care of by band students. Never did find the mythical unicorn student horn.
The vintage student horns drastically limited my playing enjoyment.
Yes I regret not buying a professional horn sooner.
Once I bought a professional horn noticed the drastic improvements in sound quality, intonation, projection etc.
Since my comeback I play modern day professional doubler cornets.
One of my cornets is copper colored and the other silver.

As anyone used to reading my posts would know that I am a minimalist - I think there's way too much micro-analysing and over-thinking on things trumpet,

So, with that being said - I don't oil my valves individually. Maybe once a week, I blow some oil from my mouthpipe through the entire horn and out the bell. Been doing this since Jr. H.S. and that was a long time ago.

I do think, though, that the oil makes a difference, so use that judiciously. (And even speaking of minimalist oil, for several years my oil was a mixture of 3-in-One oil and White Kerosine. Fuggataboutit.)

@trumpetkid thank you for reply

@LegendaryConnMan Wow you must really like Conn.trumpets .I had a 22B. Vintage from 1935 but it was in bad shape needed a valve overhaul and it was too expensive to do .But now this Conn 5B that I have is older than the 22B it's from 1922 and it's built like a tank.I really like the 5B just not finding much info on it.Hey thanks for your help.Anthony