Wonder which Valve Oil they use.





  • I think they used Ghost Oil.

    Boy, I really liked that. I've conducted it a number of times but not like that. On what do they base the shortened notes in the first part and on their dynamics in general? Is that the Age of Enlightenment Orchestra? If not, who? And who is the conductor?



  • @Kehaulani said in Wonder which Valve Oil they use.:

    I think they used Ghost Oil.

    Boy, I really liked that. I've conducted it a number of times but not like that. On what do they base the shortened notes in the first part and on their dynamics in general? Is that the Age of Enlightenment Orchestra? If not, who? And who is the conductor?

    I can't answer most of your questions, but it's from the 2012 Proms Season. Hervé Niquet conducting Le Concert Spirituel.



  • Thanks Seth.



  • I have never seen an orchestra using brass instruments like those. But it really sounded great.



  • @GeorgeB All the instruments appear to be period-correct. Did you notice the drumstick tips?



  • Thanks for the link! I was not aware that there was a recording using real natural trumpets. Most of the recordings these days use "baroque" trumpets - the most modern in the trumpet family (although they claim "historic), with holes for intonation correction and security.


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    I'm curious about a few things.

    1. How do we know they played with no vibrato in the Baroque era? I mean, we don't have recordings.
    2. How do we know they ballooned their notes like they are doing in the video?


  • Regarding vibrato, I know there are sources referring to vocal music where vibrato is used. The vocal references I've seen, still don't nail down width or speed of the vibrato or that, just because the vocalists used it, that the instrumentalists did, either.

    Regarding ballooning, I have that same question. I actually liked it, but I don't know where it came from.

    Maybe rowuk knows. He (and maybe barleyman) is the expert on this site for these performance practices.


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    The orchestra is called "Le Concert Spirituel", under Hervé Niquet, one of the more hard-core "original sound" ensembles. In some of their performances, they have gone to the length of performing not only on copies of master-made period instruments, but on faithful copies of what the average professional musician would have had available... imagine, say, the Vienna Philharmonic playing on student violins for $ 100 apiece, and the trumpet section on Chinese Larks... #
    "Le concert spirituel" have also been known to care for their instruments "the old way", greasing trumpet slides with pure goose grease or (even worse) lard...


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    @administrator said in Wonder which Valve Oil they use.:

    I'm curious about a few things.

    1. How do we know they played with no vibrato in the Baroque era? I mean, we don't have recordings.
    2. How do we know they ballooned their notes like they are doing in the video?

    You are right, there are no recordings. But people wrote instead and closely described what was to be done. Almost every other musician of any note produced tutorials for his students: Friedrich Wilhelm Reiche, for example, could not just say, "Go and get yourself an Arban copy". For one, Arban would not be born for a couple of centuries; and for the second, printed books were still rare and expensive. So people like J.S. Bach produced things like the "Piano Book for Anna Magdalena Bach" which in their original version not only contained music, but lots of additional advice, thus showing us the way the composer wanted the pieces to be played.


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    @barliman2001 said in Wonder which Valve Oil they use.:

    @administrator said in Wonder which Valve Oil they use.:

    I'm curious about a few things.

    1. How do we know they played with no vibrato in the Baroque era? I mean, we don't have recordings.
    2. How do we know they ballooned their notes like they are doing in the video?

    You are right, there are no recordings. But people wrote instead and closely described what was to be done. Almost every other musician of any note produced tutorials for his students: Friedrich Wilhelm Reiche, for example, could not just say, "Go and get yourself an Arban copy". For one, Arban would not be born for a couple of centuries; and for the second, printed books were still rare and expensive. So people like J.S. Bach produced things like the "Piano Book for Anna Magdalena Bach" which in their original version not only contained music, but lots of additional advice, thus showing us the way the composer wanted the pieces to be played.

    That makes sense.



  • Love the sounds of real skin drums!



  • @djeffers78 said in Wonder which Valve Oil they use.:

    Love the sounds of real skin drums!

    Thrilling aren't they.

    Reminded me very much of the Drummers' Dream Gig scene in Ben-Hur.


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    More important, the position of conductor was unknown at the time. Orchestras were led from the first violin or from the cembalo., and were much smaller than the mostrous apparatus of "Le Concert Spirituel". A realistic rendition of Handel's Water Music comes from Berlin's Academy for Old Music...


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