BAC Plaza



  • We have all been waiting to see how the acquisition of Kanstul assets by BAC altered their previously mostly Asian line-up. Here is the first pro level horn with Kanstul DNA out of, and built in, KC.

    https://www.coolisbac.com/plaza


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    @OldSchoolEuph
    Let's see how long that will last. i've seen so many new brands come up and disappear...



  • BAC has been around for a while...not really what I would call a “new brand”.

    Plus, they are top notch instrument makers. I’ve thought for a while now that they don’t quite get the recognition they should.



  • Could turn out to be great; time will tell. I'm not a fan of secretive pricing, however. Is this one of those "If you have to ask, you can't afford it." deals?



  • https://www.bacmusicshop.com/collection/?sort=featured

    In the shop there are some horns with prices.



  • @ROWUK said in BAC Plaza:

    https://www.bacmusicshop.com/collection/?sort=featured

    In the shop there are some horns with prices.

    Those used instrument prices are pretty reasonable. They are in line with what similar instruments usually sell for, not the inflated prices commonly seen elsewhere.



  • @ROWUK Thank you, ROWUK. I still don't see pricing for the featured new products, though.



  • If it is any indication...ACB has two of BAC’s “Paseo” trumpets listed at $3500 ($3495).

    I’d be willing to bet BAC lists between that and $4000



  • @OldSchoolEuph said in BAC Plaza:

    Kanstul DNA

    Is there anything particular about this model that shows a Kanstul heritage? I assume you're seeing details either in the picture or description that I'm overlooking.

    If we look at the description of their Paseo 'Z72' Model Trumpet, they leave not-so-veiled hints. Not sure why they couldn't use the trademark, I guess that was not included in the sale. Anyone know exactly what model they mean by "one of the more popular commercial models"?

    https://www.coolisbac.com/paseo

    The tooling used for this instrument came from a very respected American workshop in Anaheim, CA, and was one of the more popular Commercial Models produced among studio and session players.



  • @Jolter said in BAC Plaza:

    @OldSchoolEuph said in BAC Plaza:

    Kanstul DNA

    Is there anything particular about this model that shows a Kanstul heritage? I assume you're seeing details either in the picture or description that I'm overlooking.

    If we look at the description of their Paseo 'Z72' Model Trumpet, they leave not-so-veiled hints. Not sure why they couldn't use the trademark, I guess that was not included in the sale. Anyone know exactly what model they mean by "one of the more popular commercial models"?

    https://www.coolisbac.com/paseo

    The tooling used for this instrument came from a very respected American workshop in Anaheim, CA, and was one of the more popular Commercial Models produced among studio and session players.

    I had missed that on the website. That was the first derivative (a fairly direct one) they worked on. I didn't see it had gone public too. Yes, the "Z" stands for a well known name, who's slightly altered version of a Bach 72 that horn uses. I would say it is a 1503, except that it is important to recognize BAC is making their own horns. Mark Kanstul sold the Benge annealing ovens before BAC came along, and with the criticality of working-annealing schedules in bell making (and that the schedules themselves were gone pre-sale when I had inquired), BAC has had to work out their own version and alter the design accordingly to mesh with the bell.



  • Without knowing any trumpeters in particular beginning with "Z", yeah a 1503 must be it, being Kanstul's "72LT clone".

    So I take it the Plaza is not a straight up copy of any Kanstul? The name makes me think of the Kanstul Coliseum but the specs don't match up.



  • @Jolter said in BAC Plaza:

    Without knowing any trumpeters in particular beginning with "Z", yeah a 1503 must be it, being Kanstul's "72LT clone".

    So I take it the Plaza is not a straight up copy of any Kanstul? The name makes me think of the Kanstul Coliseum but the specs don't match up.

    [Edited once I realized I was mixing horns]
    The Plaza uses a more orchestral bell than that, and it is on a Kanstul-made mandrel. The Coliseum bell is faster taper than even the 72, this bell is less so. BAC is not building a horn with the Coliseum bell yet, though a certain person has been hassling them to do so!

    For both the Z72 and the Plaza, just as Zig insisted on, leadpipes are carefully matched to the finished design at BAC, and the body of the horn is designed with next-gen modeling playing a role. Think of the Z72 as a second generation 1503 updated to today's tech (and with that @#*%%$^ BAC brace - nothing's perfect....) and the Plaza as an all-around "legit" horn.


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