Trombone Help
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My 8th grader is starting on trombone this year, and I need to grab him a student horn. I've always had success with Yamaha student trumpets, so am leaning that way on 'bone as well. Just perusing eBay, I seem to find both the YSL-354 and YSL200AD in the $200-300 range.
Does anyone have any experience with them, is there much difference? Any reason to choose one over the other one?
Thanks in advance.
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@neal085 I don't know either of these instruments. But for a beginner, I would choose the narrower bore and the smaller mouthpiece. I started on a large bore B&H Sovereign 'bone, and it was hard work (even though I had thirty years of trumpet under my belt).
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The most important thing with trombones is slide action - which you won’t be able to test on eBay. Be prepared if you buy used online that it will probably need some hand slide work from your local tech. Student trombones don’t survive quite as well as student trumpets just because they tend to be more delicate, and handslides are also very prone to red rot since most kids never clean anything. If you’re buying online, make sure you can return.
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BTW, the Yamaha Advantage line tends to be very soft and thin, trumpets as well. I would steer away from used in either one, as I’ve seen what happens to the school fleets.
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@flugelgirl Is the 200 AD from the Advantage line? I just spoke with someone at a local music shop, and they indicated the 354 and 200AD were the same horn, but for different markets. Is that accurate?
Thank you for all the info, BTW.
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@neal085 Yes, the AD is for Advantage. Unfortunately I can’t tell you much about a lot of the student trombones out there since we don’t carry a lot of student instruments, but have found with Yamaha and Jupiter that the intermediate models are a big step up from the student models. Also, be prepared with trombones to invest in hand slide work at some point, as kids are often not careful about bumping into something until they get used to that slide! It takes much less to mess up a trombone than it does a trumpet, and kids are pretty good at messing them up. Hope you find what you’re looking for!
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I am a Certified Yamaha Music Teacher and always had good results with their basic trombones. Perfect for beginning/intermediate players and if there is a problem (for me never was) it's backed by a oood warranty.
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Nothing wrong at all with a new Yamaha with warranty, but used Advantage line, especially when buying ebay, can be hit or miss. The amount of damage I’m seeing on school-owned trumpets is what makes me wary - these trumpets were about 5 years old, and though they might not look to have serious damage, all damage seems to telegraph throughout the horn since they are fairly soft. Buying new and encouraging the student to treat the instrument with respect, no problem. Used of unknown origin may mean an expensive trip to the shop for an inexpensive instrument.
My little student is currently playing a Yamaha, but it is a 2335 that my shop got as NOS, and it is far superior to the current AD line.Daily players: Adams A1, A4LT, F2 flugel , CN1 cornet.
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@flugelgirl So I was talking to the local band rental shop today, and he said they recommend King over Yamaha for student horns. Said most of the Yamaha student stuff is made in China, while King's are still made in the US.
Anything to that?
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@barliman2001 said
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@kehaulani said in Trombone Help:
@barliman2001 said
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Look guys, Like I earlier posted, I was blind up until a couple of weeks ago and am now "sight challenged" at best, If that messes uo my posts, I'll just not try.
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@neal085 true enough. Entry level Yamaha AD line is made in China. Conn-Selmer Prelude line are also made in China. King seem to fare a bit better, though, and are made in the Eastlake factory. Jupiter are made in Taiwan, but intermediate and pro models are very nicely made and leagues above the entry level.
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@kehaulani Don't worry and keep posting. I know exactly what you are going through.
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@flugelgirl said in Trombone Help:
@neal085 true enough. Entry level Yamaha AD line is made in China. Conn-Selmer Prelude line are also made in China. King seem to fare a bit better, though, and are made in the Eastlake factory. Jupiter are made in Taiwan, but intermediate and pro models are very nicely made and leagues above the entry level.
That's great info - thank you! Think we're going to go with the King this time around.
