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    • Curlydoc
      Curlydoc last edited by

      Had a few falls over the last year. Broke 5 ribs. Today is the first time I have tried to play in a year. Started with long quiet notes then moved to playing songs. Had no trouble playing G above the staff, but could not play D below the staff or anything lower. Was able to play for an hour before the chops gave out. Any suggestions for reclaiming the low notes?

      David McNeil Ferguson PhD, MD
      Grand Marais, Minnesota

      2018 Jaeger Studio Bb. Jaeger 3M MP.
      1962 Olds Super Bb.

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      • administrator
        administrator Global Moderator last edited by

        Sorry to hear about that! Are you still playing the same mouthpiece you were playing, the Jaeger 3M?

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        • J. Jericho
          J. Jericho Global Moderator @Curlydoc last edited by

          @curlydoc said in Starting over after a year:
          Any suggestions for reclaiming the low notes?

          Yeah; patience and time. Glad you're getting back into playing!

          '62 Olds Studio Trumpet
          '67 Olds Special Trumpet
          2013 Dillon Pocket Trumpet
          '83 Yamaha YFH-731 Flugelhorn
          1919 York Perfec-Tone Cornet
          '50 Olds Studio Trombone
          Shofar

          "If it was just up to me, I'd only have trumpet players on my show." - Jackie Gleason

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          • barliman2001
            barliman2001 Global Moderator @Curlydoc last edited by

            @curlydoc In my experience, the best training for the low notes is just brabbling away on your lips, like you would when relaxing your embouchure. And I've found that some fun with a much bigger instrument and mouthpiece is good for the low range, too. Why not get a Peuphonium?
            https://www.thomann.de/gb/startone_pep_20_bb_euphonium_blue.htm?shp=eyJjb3VudHJ5IjoiZ2IiLCJjdXJyZW5jeSI6NCwibGFuZ3VhZ2UiOjJ9&reload=1

            Courtois Balanced
            Courtois D
            Olds Recording
            Buescher Aristocrat
            Gaudet C
            Selmer G
            Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
            Besson International Bb cornet
            Courtois Bb cornet
            B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
            B&H Sovereign trombone
            Willy Garreis trombone
            Weltklang Euph

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            • GeorgeB
              GeorgeB @Curlydoc last edited by

              @curlydoc
              The older I get the more difficult it is to play good clean low notes below the staff. What helps me, beside moving to a larger mp .650 to .664, is to start at C on the staff and blow long notes down to #F, then back up and down again a few times a day. Also intervals from on the staff to below are helpful.
              Good to hear you are back at it,
              George

              1960s King Super 20 Silversonic, 1940 Olds Recording, 1942 Buescher True Tone 400 ,1999 Conn Vintage One Bb trumpet, A 1952 Selmer Paris, A 2020 Getzen 400 and a Manchester Brass ACB custom pro Bb trumpet, a 1962 Conn Victor 5A Cornet.

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              • Curlydoc
                Curlydoc @barliman2001 last edited by

                @barliman2001 I have trouble holding up a trumpet!,!

                David McNeil Ferguson PhD, MD
                Grand Marais, Minnesota

                2018 Jaeger Studio Bb. Jaeger 3M MP.
                1962 Olds Super Bb.

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                • barliman2001
                  barliman2001 Global Moderator @Curlydoc last edited by

                  @curlydoc ergobrass, then.

                  Courtois Balanced
                  Courtois D
                  Olds Recording
                  Buescher Aristocrat
                  Gaudet C
                  Selmer G
                  Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
                  Besson International Bb cornet
                  Courtois Bb cornet
                  B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
                  B&H Sovereign trombone
                  Willy Garreis trombone
                  Weltklang Euph

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                  • SSmith1226
                    SSmith1226 @J. Jericho last edited by

                    @j-jericho said in Starting over after a year:

                    @curlydoc said in Starting over after a year:
                    Any suggestions for reclaiming the low notes?

                    Yeah; patience and time. Glad you're getting back into playing!

                    I agree with J Jericho. Practice and time will get you there. This video might help illustrate this point.

                    Steve Smith

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                    • Curlydoc
                      Curlydoc last edited by

                      Did better today. Practiced Rowuk’s Circle of Breath and Little’s lower range lip slurs.

                      David McNeil Ferguson PhD, MD
                      Grand Marais, Minnesota

                      2018 Jaeger Studio Bb. Jaeger 3M MP.
                      1962 Olds Super Bb.

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                      • GeorgeB
                        GeorgeB @Curlydoc last edited by

                        @curlydoc
                        Those are great exercises. You'll get there.
                        George

                        1960s King Super 20 Silversonic, 1940 Olds Recording, 1942 Buescher True Tone 400 ,1999 Conn Vintage One Bb trumpet, A 1952 Selmer Paris, A 2020 Getzen 400 and a Manchester Brass ACB custom pro Bb trumpet, a 1962 Conn Victor 5A Cornet.

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                        • Richard III
                          Richard III last edited by

                          Had a few falls, broke ribs, having trouble holding the trumpet, difficulty with low notes and looking for answers. Sounds like a general conditioning program is in order. What kind of rehab are you doing and what is the physical fitness regime going forward?

                          Richard III

                          1977 Olds Ambassador Cornet

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                          • Kehaulani
                            Kehaulani Credentialed Professional last edited by

                            curlydoc, I'm a little late to the game but I'm so sorry for your falls and broken ribs. Must've been very painful and restricted.
                            I've just got two comments:
                            Continue to better health.
                            Long Tones.

                            Benge 3X
                            Martin Committee
                            Getzen Capri Cornet
                            Adams F-1 Flugelhorn

                            "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn."
                            Charlie Parker

                            "Even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis, I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis."
                            Chet Baker

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                            • ROWUK
                              ROWUK Veterans & Military Musicians Western Europe Group Monette Club last edited by

                              Playing any given tone is the process of our air pressure being able to "blow apart" the lips. If we can't play low notes, the usual situation is that the lips are pressed too tightly together. We can not just intellectually tell our facial muscles to "relax". Playing the trumpet is fine motor activity that needs many low impact repetitions to create muscle memory.

                              In my "circle of breath" (which is only a collection of things from others with my individual visualisation), I mention exhaling into the note. That is what is needed here. Tonguing the note adds a burst of air pressure to kick start the tone and that is NOT A GOOD THING at this stage. We should only use the tongue to "shape" the beginning of a tone (articulate). We can only start to shape when we have "tone in the first place".

                              Exhale into the long tones.

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                              • fels
                                fels last edited by

                                I start my warm up with low note buzzing by removing the tuning slide and blowing low notes using breath attacks. Using a larger mp during this initial exercise can also be helpful. Replace tuning slide and play Clark #1 very slowly - equivalent to long tones.

                                Schilke x3
                                Bach Strad 37
                                Courtois Flugel

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