@Dr-GO
I agree that the 7c is the most common mouthpiece sold, and across the playing population works for many players. For the last six months the 7c has worked best for me.
Size wise my grandson is not in the middle of the bell shaped curve, but is way to the left of center in size, probably a couple of standard deviations below the mean. In comparison my 8 year old grandson is quite a bit smaller than me. Height wise the top of his head hits my elbow. Head and facial size are considerably smaller than mine. Below is a photo showing the difference with me sitting and him standing. He can play a 7c, but I would wonder whether a 10.5c or a 12 might give him better results, making it easier for him to make music like sounds, thus giving him more incentive to maintain his interest. On the other hand, a 7c may be best for his facial and dental structure. It would be interesting to see whether there are elementary school band directors or private teachers on the site that have extensive experience with this age group and see what their opinion is as well.

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RE: Mouthpiece recommendations for young beginners
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RE: I bought a fairly rare trumpet
@administrator said in I bought a fairly rare trumpet:
Well...I did it again. I bought another trumpet when I should not have!
I apologize in advance. I have done it to many times myself!
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RE: Community Band
I did not meet or see Les Muncaster. It is possible that he was at this convention, but literally all my time there was taken up in rehearsals and preparation.
Conductors in rehearsals and performance included Ivan Wansley, Jimmy Parker, Doug Phillips, John Southall, Don Snowden, Gary Green, and Alfred Watkins. All were superb conductors and very passionate in their analysis and instruction.
The participating musicians, ages 18 - 94 were in the top tier of their individual organizations. I’m not sure how I got assigned to playing the second trumpet part rather than third trumpet part, when you take into account the talent within the section, but it was a great experience playing with these conductors and the entire band of musicians of such high caliber.
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RE: Mouthpiece recommendations for young beginners
I appreciate everyone’s input and opinion. Before he played his first note we practiced breath control and breathing using the principles of Rowuk’s circle of breath and I correct him as much as possible. Since I see him only intermittently, he is only in the second grade, and his mother ( my daughter ) is not as enthusiastic as I am to see him learn the instrument, there would be next to no practice until such time that I move to his area on a consistent basis, which I believe will be in less than one year. At that time I will find him a qualified teacher and encourage practice together as much as possible as well as on his own. In the meanwhile we both will continue on the 7c.
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RE: Difference between trumpet and cornet
@j-jericho
Trumpet- Cylindrical Bore
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RE: A little humour
@barliman2001
St Peter is checking ID's at the Pearly Gates, and first comes a Texan. "Tell me, what have you done in life?" says St. Peter. The Texan says, "Well, I struck oil, so I became rich, but I didn't sit on my laurels--I divided all my money among my entire family in my will, so our descendants are all set for about three generations." St. Peter says, "That's quite something. Come on in. Next!" The second guy in line has been listening, so he says, "I struck it big in the stock market, but I didn't selfishly just provide for my own like that Texan guy. I donated five million to Save the Children." "Wonderful!" says Saint Peter. "Come in. Who's next?" The third guy has been listening, and says timidly with a downcast look, "Well, I only made five thousand dollars in my entire lifetime." "Heavens!" says St. Peter. "What instrument did you play?” -
Perfect Pitch
Re: need perfect pitch to play trombone ?
The topic, “Perfect Pitch To Play the Trombone”is nearly a year old. There was very good and relevant discussion at that time. I was going to add this to the discussion, but there is an automatic message that pops up which encourages the start of a new thread. I saw the following article today and thought it was interesting in general. I’ve also included two videos with the article.
How Can You Tell If You Have Perfect Pitch?
Some famous musicians—from Mariah Carey to Jimi Hendrix—have a gift known as perfect pitch. What is it? Could you have it, too?
Mariah Carey, Ella Fitzgerald, Bing Crosby, Mozart, Beethoven, Jimi Hendrix, and Yanni. What do these musicians have in common? They're all said to have perfect pitch.
How rare is perfect pitch? If you don’t have it already, can you learn it?
What is perfect (or absolute) pitch?
Perfect pitch (technically known as absolute pitch) is the ability to identify, without effort, the pitch of a note.
Let's say someone plays a D on the piano. A person with perfect pitch—and the musical training to be able to name the notes—would be able to identify the note as a D without any reference. Or they might hear a note played and be able to reproduce it on an instrument without having to search for it. If you told someone who had vocal training and perfect pitch to sing a D, they'd be able to do it easily.
When someone can identify a note only when it's based on a reference note, that's called relative pitch. People with perfect pitch, on the other hand, don't need a reference note to label an audible tone correctly.
How rare is perfect pitch?
Out of every 10,000 people, only between 1 to 5 of them will have perfect pitch. Out of every 10,000 musicians, however, between 100 and 1100 (that’s 1-11%) may have the gift. Perfect pitch is also observed to run in families, which suggests it's at least partially genetic.
Perfect pitch is more common in cultures where the language is tonal. In tonal languages, the same word said in different tones has different meanings. (That's compared to cultures where tone indicates emotion and not meaning.) One study of music students found that 60 percent of Mandarin-speaking students who had studied music since the age of four or five had perfect pitch relative to only 14 percent of English-speaking students.
Some scientists argue that this could mean perfect pitch can be taught. That's especially true for someone who learns to alter and identify pitch from a young age, like when they're learning to speak their first language.
Other studies have shown that perfect pitch is more common among people with autism. One study of children age 7 to 13 found that those with autism were better able to tell apart two subtlely different tones and to remember melodies weeks later than neurotypical children in the same age group. This link is particularly intriguing because understanding perfect pitch may help us understand the genetic links to autism as well as possible treatment therapies.
Investigations into actual anatomical differences have found that the brains of people with perfect pitch look different. They have more grey matter in the area of the brain we suspect is responsible for identifying pitch, the right auditory cortex. Their right auditory cortex and their prefrontal cortex, also associated with music processing, is also thicker, suggesting more brain activity there.
In the color analogy, a person with perfect pitch could look at a shade of blue on someone’s sweater and then go to a paint store and find the exact shade from memory.
Interestingly, if you have perfect pitch, it’s apparently hard to understand not having it. (I say “apparently” because I was not gifted with such a high-functioning ear.)
To understand why this is, an analogy to color is often used. Imagine someone who can see all the colors and tell them apart but can’t tell you if something is “yellow” or “blue” unless they were shown a reference color like “red” first. For those of us who see color, this makes no sense! The same goes for those with perfect pitch when they try to understand why the rest of us can’t label a note when we hear it on its own. In the color analogy, a person with perfect pitch could look at a shade of blue on someone’s sweater and then go to a paint store and find the exact shade from memory.
So why is the ability to differentiate something like color so common but absolute pitch so rare? One group has suggested that maybe some component of perfect pitch is more common—let’s call it not-quite-perfect-but-better-than-only-capable-of-relevant pitch.
Work led by Dr. Elizabeth Margulis at the University of Arkansas suggests that even people without any formal music training can show signs of some aspect of absolute pitch. For example, they might be able to pick out individual notes that are off-key more easily for familiar scales like C-major (think the white keys on the piano) versus less common scales like those in D-flat major (mostly black piano keys).
Margulis and her team also find that our ability to track absolute pitch may affect how emotional we feel when listening to music. Participants in the study reported that the music felt tenser when it contained notes that were in the wrong key.
Can you learn to have perfect pitch?
Perfect pitch is thought to be some combination of innate ability, early childhood music exposure, and possibly training. So, if you didn’t start those music lessons at age five, is it too late for you? Historically, the belief was that you either have it or you don’t when it comes to perfect pitch. But a few recent studies have suggested that maybe the skill can be learned.
A few recent studies have suggested that perfect pitch can be learned.
In a small study of 17 students with varying musical backgrounds at the University of Chicago, researchers found that participants were better able to identify notes without a reference after a period of training. The training consisted of three 60-note sets for which the students were asked to identify each note after hearing it and received immediate feedback on whether or not their identification was correct. The students were not as good at identifying notes when tested again a few months later (without any additional training), but they were still better off than where they originally started.
One group even managed to “retune” people who did have perfect pitch by effectively over-writing their tonal knowledge to new values. (Going back to our color analogy, think of someone being told to reset so that purple is now yellow.) The title of that study was, appropriately, "Absolute pitch may not be so absolute."
How do you know if you have perfect pitch?
Searching for “perfect pitch test” online turns up dozens of results because there is generally no agreed-upon reliable test for perfect pitch, at least not for those of us who aren’t musically trained. So there are plenty of online tests to have some fun poking at the limitations of your skills, but if you really want to know if you have perfect pitch, you may have to see a professional.
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Elmer Churampi
A spectacular 2016 performance by a 17 or 18 year old trumpet player, Elmer Churampi originally from Lima, Peru.
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RE: A little humour
@BigDub said in A little humour:
@stumac said in A little humour:
When I started work in 1956 at 17 my pay was 25 cents per hour, 3 months later I turned 18 and my pay doubled.
Regards, Stuart.
In 1956 my Dad's Uncle Mangnus ( very Norwegian ) would give us boys 50 cents just for visiting he and Aunt Olga in Brooklyn. They had no kids. This brought them tremendous joy.
Stuart and big dub,
You don’t know how well you had it. A 1956 $1.00 in 1975 terms, was worth $1.98. In 1974 - 1975 as a physician (Surgical Intern) I made $5,000 per year for working 110-120 hours per week at Charity Hospital of New Orleans. This averages out to $0.84 per hour in that time frame or $0.41 per hour in 1956 dollars. Over the following 4 years my salary increased $0.20 per hour per year. At that time I was responsible for running the Trauma and Emergency Surgical Service 36 out of 48 hours in this large City Hospital all for $1.64 per hour ( $0.80 per hour in 1956 dollars).
The good news was when I had a few hours off when working in some of the other Louisiana State Charity Hospitals I could moonlight as an ER Physician and make $7.50 per hour. The only catch was that I (or any other ER moonlighter) was not allowed to leave the ER until all patients that signed in on my shift was seen and given disposition by me. That generally required a minimum of four more hours of my time at no pay. Never the less this seemed like a fortune to me. Of course my expenses were minimum. I lived in scrub suits and my wife bought my underwear. I also ate in the hospital cafeteria.
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Trumpet Board Remote Performance
I thought that I would start this as a separate thread. Under the thread, “The New Reality”, many of us have posted discussion and performances of music under quarantine, from soloists, families, Big Bands, Symphony Orchestras, and world wide groups.
Yesterday, I posted a Peruvian Trumpet Performance made up up individual performers from their living rooms all over Peru. Let me throw the following idea out to the group. Since there still are no current local performance opportunities, would there be any interest in putting together a video such as this and others on this thread, made up of Trumpet Board members. This could include members from anywhere in the world. Each individual recording can be made with iPhone, similar equipment, or more professional equipment, if available. The biggest stumbling block would be the editing and production. I have neither the know how, the software, or hardware to pull this off. Let me open this idea to the group to see whether this is viable. If someone has a simple solution to the technical problem, I would be willing to explore it and see whether I can take this on. -
RE: Elmer Churampi
@SSmith1226 said in Elmer Churampi:
@Dr-Mark
Elmar Churampi is considered to be among the best in his age group at what he does. For a moment let us assume that he is in the 99.9 percentile of his age group and level of experience as a classical trumpet player. That means for every 1000 trumpet players at his age and experience level there are 999 who are inferior than him as a classical trumpet player. In a group of 10,000 he will be in the top 10, in a group of 100,000 he will be in the top 100, and in a group of 1,000,000 he will be in the top 1,000. Each sub group can also be stratified into its own bell shaped curve where percentiles can be ranked 0 - 99.9 percentiles. The point of all this being, no matter how hard we try, there will always be someone, somewhere, that is better, even if we are the best within our circle of influence. That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t strive to be the best that we can be, but on any given day, even if we are in the 99.9 percentile, there may be many others out there who can do what we strive to do better.
A prime example of this would be olympic sporting competition. An athlete may be the best at a sport in his country which has a population of 300,000,000, but only one competitor in the world wins the gold medal, or for that matter the silver or bronze. The competitor from the country above may come in last in the competition, but still be in the 99.99999 percentile of the world talent pool. So, other then getting depressed over this situation, what can we do to become the next “Elmer Churampi”? Do what it is likely he and many other outliers in the far right of the bell shaped curve have done: As Dr. Mark said, “Take Practice Seriously”.An interesting video on how much practice makes you an “expert”.
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RE: H.N. White Silver Tone Cornet Mouthpiece
@j-jericho said in H.N. White Silver Tone Cornet Mouthpiece:
http://www.currympc.com/index.php?id=49 mentions shanks for Olds, Conn, Besson, and Holton, but not King. I'd guess that The larger Olds shank might fit, but I'm not sure if the taper would be the same.
Thanks J.Jericho, AKA Rick Martin. I saw that King was not mentioned. I will try to contact Curry Mouthpieces and see whether they have a vintage mouthpiece for this cornet.
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RE: Subcontrabass Trumpet
@robertwerntz said in Subcontrabass Trumpet:
@SSmith1226 ha! What do they keep Aphorns in!
@barliman2001 said in Subcontrabass Trumpet:
@robertwerntz Alphorns can be dismantled into small pieces!
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RE: A little humour
@Tobylou8 said in A little humour:
@SSmith1226 said in A little humour:
@Dr-GO said in A little humour:
@SSmith1226 said in A little humour:
What`s the difference between a baroque trumpeter and a dressmaker?
A dressmaker tucks up frills.However, maybe if the trumpet player wasn't baroque, the trills would be fixed up!
@Dr-GO said in A little humour:
Tell me if you heard this one:
A drummer walked past the bar...Means the other side is nothing but brass!
That is a BRAVE thing to say!
Reminds of the this pawn shop but two instead of three.
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RE: Trumpet Board Remote Performance
@tjcombo said in Trumpet Board Remote Performance:
@SSmith1226 and co-conspirators, thanks, I enjoyed that very much.
Nice video editing too!Thanks for the complements. On behalf of myself and the co-conspirators, which by the way is a very polite, proper, and appropriate term, we thank you for your very kind words.
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The New Reality
Today I received an email from the New Horizons International Music Association. It featured an idea from our own Ivan Hunter. It said the following, “Ivan Hunter describes himself as a whole-hearted supporter of the New Horizons concept. He spends his time designing and building trumpets, writing about recreational music making, conducting Trumpet Saturdays, and mentoring/playing in several community ensembles.
His idea is to make music at dedicated times e.g. 10:00am and 7:00pm (either or both, depending on your circumstances). You can play a simple melody whilst holding in your thoughts someone dear to you. This can be a way of reducing stress, improving our mood, and helping us to be more positive towards others.He would like to invite New Horizons members to participate. The music each day
is posted on:Facebook page: Trumpet4Fun
https://www.facebook.com/Trumpet4Fun “
I would certainly defer to Ivan to elaborate further on his wonderful idea.
The email also had a link to the Rotterdam Philharmonic, while socially isolating from home, playing the Ode to Joy as a single unit.