Other Italian trumpet sensations:
Both of these two performers has an Italian parent, and both spent some of their time growing up in Italy. One is known as an American, the other as a German performer, but they also share amazing Italian trumpet genes!
In addition, do you have to be a 1st Trumpet player to be a leader? Absolutely not. I remember a post by Vulgano Brother relating a time when he played 3rd trumpet in the Spokane Symphony Orchestra, and made the comment that at times he had to subtly real the 1st Trumpet player in at times. Now that takes leadership!
@ROWUK said in Lifetime quest finally paying off!:
My own teaching searches for the goals of the player. If one of my students wants to be a lead player, then I am the wrong person to bring them there. ...they need a real lead player for attitude and context...
Don't sell yourself short, ROWUK. Where does it state "Lead Trumpet" on my Big Band Chart? It doesn't. It states "1st Trumpet".
I have had great success as a "First Trumpet Big Band Performer", because I was taught by a First Trumpet player for the CSO over 4 years. Eugene Blee thought me how to be a first trumpet player. To lead a section through dynamics, phrasing, style. He taught me: "You lead others to follow". Eugene did not teach me to play high. He taught me to play best. He did not teach me to play loud skillfully. He taught me to play soft skilllfully. ROWUK, You are the right person to take them there because you too are there to teach a trumpet player to be a leader, not a Lead Player. So don't sell yourself short. If one of your students decides to play 1st Trumpet in a Big Band and truly play Lead, then you have been successful!
@Dr-Mark said in Lifetime quest finally paying off!:
If people will observe how Sarah manipulates the oral cavity with her tongue from a more open oral cavity (low notes) to an oral cavity that's filled with tongue starting at 1:48 (5. Slurred ascending E flat 4 octave harmonic scale), they will notice that Sarah (A fantastic player!!) does with her tongue exactly what I've been saying. This should put this discussion to rest.
As they say in the sciences, Dr. Mark... QED.
or in the arts: Bravo, maestro!
@Dr-Mark said in Lifetime quest finally paying off!:
@Sound-Advice said in Lifetime quest finally paying off!:
Facts and science won't sway a person who's mind is already made up anyway.
...he agreed that he was using the back of his tongue to manipulate the oral cavity but leaving the front of his tongue "anchored" to the floor of the mouth with the tip of the tongue against the front lower teeth. By changing the size of the oral cavity space with the tongue we are able to speed up and slow down the air used to make a note.
I think this is nicely demonstrated in this radiological enhanced electrode monitoring of the tongue (from a lateral and a straight on perspective}. I believe this demonstrates Dr. Mark's point nicely:
@Dr-Mark said in Lifetime quest finally paying off!:
@Sound-Advice
OK, I just tried the "pinch the nose and use an "EEEE" position with the tongue.
The tongue is anchored to the bottom of the mouth and the BACK OF THE TONGUE increases and decreases the oral cavity space which assists with range.
I believe this is nicely demonstrated in the MRI below. Watch not only the tongue as range increases, but also the distal pharynx close more, all to decrease the entire volume of air in the oropharynx:
@Sound-Advice said in Lifetime quest finally paying off!:
@Dr-Mark
I know that when I used to play Maggio on receded jaw chops that syllable use had some value for my production of lip trills and interval changes. But having crossed over into the world of Stevens-Costello? It is of no help. It's just not necessary. If I want to execute a lip trill I move my jaw ever so slightly up and down.
Sound Advice... I appreciate you can do this, and this is the same way I execute my lip trill while also using a more user friendly Maggio version.
@Dr-Mark said in Lifetime quest finally paying off!:
@Dr-GO said in Lifetime quest finally paying off!:
FranklinD, Kehaulani, Sound-Advice have all made comment on this post related to doctors, so I just thought I would take an opportunity to address and clarify as a friendly service offered by we member of TB.
And for clarification, we are talking about people and not animals so I believe you may have meant humandegree rather than pedigree, yes? On that note though, I did have a cheek swab performed on my daughter sent to BioPet. She came back Pitbull. I trained her well. She is now by the way, an MS Social Worker, a human degree.
The discussion is about trumpet. In particular, The Stevens-Costello method and what's going on behind the aperture.
Perfect. And that discussion shall continue. Going on behind the aperture is truly your specialty and I always review your response with great interest as your detail is defining. Keep up the great work Herr Doktor!
@Dr-Mark said in Lifetime quest finally paying off!:
@Kehaulani
Who gives a flying rat's ass about anyone's pedigree?"
FranklinD, Kehaulani, Sound-Advice have all made comment on this post related to doctors, so I just thought I would take an opportunity to address and clarify as a friendly service offered by we member of TB.
And for clarification, we are talking about people and not animals so I believe you may have meant humandegree rather than pedigree, yes? On that note though, I did have a cheek swab performed on my daughter sent to BioPet. She came back Pitbull. I trained her well. She is now by the way, an MS Social Worker, a human degree.
@FranklinD said in Lifetime quest finally paying off!:
@Dr-GO said in Lifetime quest finally paying off!:
And I believe Dr-Mark is a psychologist.
Is a psychologist a Dr. in the USA?
Psychologist are doctors when they receive either a PhD or PsychD which is also known as a clinical psychologist.
Actually from the German origin a doctor (Doktor) is an advanced degree professional, a physician is Der Artz (not Doktor). So here in the US I tell people that I have a PhD so am a REAL doctor!
As I am aware at present, there are 4 physicians (MDs) that post here:
tmd - and internist and emergency medicine physician (that happens to practice in Maryland (MD)) so should he be tmdmd?
Dr. GO - an internist, pediatrician and pharmacologist (PhD as well)
SSmith1226 - a general surgeon
Curly Doc - a pathologist (PhD as well)
And I believe Dr-Mark is a psychologist.
@Dr-Mark said in Lifetime quest finally paying off!:
@Sound-Advice said in Lifetime quest finally paying off!:
...Cheek it out; see if I'm wrong. Play your highest note and while sustaining it have someone Pinch your nostrils, or do it yourself with your free hand, and notice how the sound changes.)
You are right again, and when I did as you said (after eating a bowel of chili for dinner) had an embarrassing moment in front of my wife as she held my nostrils... as I did cheek it out...
Just got word that my Easter gig is still on. The pastor is going to record the Easter service including my performance on Friday before Easter then steam the service on their Facebook page on Easter Sunday. I am sending my performance contract this evening.
@Kehaulani said in A little humour:
The sad thing is that others are, and if you don't stock up, yourself, they may deprive you of some when you routinely need some.
It's like New Years' Eve. I'm not afraid I can't handle drinking. I'm afraid of all the others who can't handle their's. "Amateur's Night."
Sooner or later I handle both versions of alcohol use in my medical practice. Wish I didn't have to.
@Dr-Mark said in Lifetime quest finally paying off!:
@Sound-Advice said in Lifetime quest finally paying off!:
Mark, MD.
Sorry Sound-Advice but I'm not from Maryland
Trumpet MD is (TMD). Stay safe Mike!
I have had interesting musician interactions in my past, never physical, but painful in other ways.
HOWEVER
Interactions with physicians are orders of magnitude worse... and many of the times, at the expense of the patient, in more then one case, that was harmed by a warring physician. In the face of trying to maintain professionalism, I resolve these conflicts, not by physical force but by taking legal and legislative action.
At the risk of ruining my record, I have been practicing pediatrics now for 39 years and have yet to be hit by the golden stream of a male infant... however, my nurse is rooming a 2 month old for a well visit as I type this... wish me luck!
@Dr-Mark said in Lifetime quest finally paying off!:
Yep, musicians tend to piss me off faster than most groups.
In pediatrics, we have a saying... Better to be pissed off, then pissed on.
@Sound-Advice said in Lifetime quest finally paying off!:
Dr GO,
Thank you for your response. I'll get back to you tomorrow. As now? I really am burnt out. Appreciate everyone here! You've all been so nice. Esp since I'm so new to the forum.
Looking forward to it. We ALL learn from each others' input and that is what I truly love about this forum. Great to have you on board as such a positive learning force!
