TrumpetBoards.com
    • Register
    • Login
    • Search
    • Categories
    • Recent
    • Tags
    • Popular
    • Users
    • Groups
    1. Home
    2. Dr GO
    3. Posts
    • Profile
    • Following 12
    • Followers 8
    • Topics 46
    • Posts 2493
    • Best 1173
    • Controversial 0
    • Groups 1

    Posts made by Dr GO

    • RE: Opinions on Valve Oils?

      @Kehaulani said in Opinions on Valve Oils?:

      @Dr-GO said in Opinions on Valve Oils?:
      The video above is for a compulsive cleaning. With weekly oiling, I skip all but the wipe down of the pistons. That I always do, and will also clear away all of the biofilm on the rim of the valve bore.

      Seems to me that the OP is a novice so thorough orientation might be in order.

      On rethinking this post, I agree, a baseline video on how to do a through cleaning should be helpful. We should never assume the level of experience of an individual posting. Kehaulani, you have the best interest of others in your heart, that is for sure.

      posted in Instruments Discussion
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • RE: Clean with 'alcohol'?

      @SSmith1226 said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:

      @Dr-GO

      As far as modern, scientifically documented data, there are literally numerous peer reviewed studies, for example showing that soap and water, is far more effective than alcohol based hand sanitizers for prevention of Clostridium Difficile infections in a hospital or office setting.

      AD841668-BA80-4E6F-9BF3-71A0FAD97CA1.png

      Hand washing with soap and water is significantly more effective at removing C. difficile spores from the hands of volunteers than are ABHRs. Residual spores are readily transferred by a handshake after use of ABHR.

      Thanks for understanding.

      I could not agree more on this subject. Because of C. Diff... soap is all I use going in and out of all rooms. AND lest one forget, the soap wash must be done for at least 20 seconds (the time it takes to sing "Mary has a little lamb"). This I taught to all of my medical students before I took them into the Neonatal Unit to teach them how to perform the Newborn exam.

      posted in Repairs & Modifications
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • RE: Clean with 'alcohol'?

      @djeffers78 said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:

      The moonshine I drink will certainly clean whatever out.

      If its greater than 50% according to the CDC, it should! By the way, I have REALLY lucked on to an amazing drink of 1 oz Apple Pie Moonshine; 1 oz Cinnamon Moonshine; 3 oz Ginger ale. Its called an Apple Slice, and it is truly pleasing to the Apple Core!

      posted in Repairs & Modifications
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • RE: Hello! Welcome to TB, who are you?

      This is a response one of my posts discussing a medical concern received by ROWUK: "...must have something to do with keeping your post count high... I know that you consider yourself to be a top expert on many things..." This got me to thinking, that in all the medical advice I do post on this site, what is my credibility behind such advice. So I thought it was time to use this thread to reassure readers of my qualifications at posting medical and performance advice relating to embouchure and lung use. Unlike ROWUK suggests as my consideration as to my credibility, as anyone claiming they are an expert should, as suggested by ROWUK be viewed with some apprehension. So I will only acknowledge how others have viewed my credibility in medical knowledge:

      First and foremost, I am honored to be certified by the American Board of Internal Medicine as an internist, and by the American Board of Pediatrics as a pediatrician. Going beyond those certifications, both Boards have honored me to serve on their Educational Committees to design training requirements for internists and pediatricians, for which I was equally honored to being voted as serving as the President of their Residency Associations. Through that relationship, I was then honored to have a National Award named after me, the Gary M. Onady Award, that is a financial stipend provided to the resident recognized as top leader in internal medicine and pediatrics. In addition, the American Board of Pediatrics invited me to publish the 5 part educational series in there Continuing Medical Education Publication, Pediatrics in Review, on how to use the best medical evidence in decision making.

      The professional societies for internal medicine (American College of Physicians) and pediatrics (American Academy of Pediatrics) have both honored my expertise as a clinician and scientist by placing me by invitation to serve as a current Associate Editor for the Annals of Internal Medicine, ACP Journal Club and as a past Editorial Board Member of American Academy of Pediatrics Grand Rounds. In addition my work has been recognized by the American College of Physicians in presenting an international curriculum I created with another internist on "Jazz Improvisation in Improving Patient-Physician communication" that is a method used training physicians how to better communicate with patients.

      As to my expertise in recommending embouchure techniques, involving muscle physiology, I have been honored in my work of promoting the understanding of muscle physiology by the American Association of Medical Colleges in publishing modules in the MedEd PORTAL training program used by every medical school in this country. I have also been awarded by the AAMC for several years as being that organizations outstanding reviewer of modules submitted by other authors.

      As to my expertise in pulmonary function, I have been honored by the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation in the promotion of my success in promoting the increased life expectancy of their patients, by serving for a decade on their Center Committee in accrediting 125 centers across this country. This experience with traveling through many cities has also afforded me the opportunity to meet many TrumpetBoard members, that include Vulgano Brother, tmd and several others (as well as past TrumpetMasters members). The CF Foundation has additionally honored me by making me their lead author for the section of medical management of one of their Clinical Practice Guidelines. That assignment lead me to be recruited by the Cochrane Collaborative to being one of their Guidline publications that is held as an International Standard.

      So I hope people reading my medical advise will appreciate that it comes from a knowledge base that has been recognized and honored by others, rather than just my opinion of my qualifications. And by the way, my post count is high based on wanting to share a lot of this knowledge with our members... hopefully to improve their lives and performance potential, much in the way ROWUK has enhanced mine through his expertise.

      posted in Introductions
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • RE: Clean with 'alcohol'?

      @SSmith1226 said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:

      @grune said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:

      Sorry to add to this since I just arrived to the discussion. This is not meant in any way as aggression, just clarification of your conclusions. Isopropyl Alcohol, also known as propran-2 ol, propranolol2, Rubbing Alcohol, etc, is not effective against spores.

      https://www.cdc.gov/infectioncontrol/guidelines/disinfection/disinfection-methods/chemical.html

      The only mention of isopropyl alcohol on my reading of the CDC site states: Isopropyl alcohol (20%) is effective in killing the cysts of Acanthamoeba culbertsoni (560) as are chlorhexidine, hydrogen peroxide, and thimerosal .

      AND while Ethanol is very effective at myobacterium in just 15 seconds, 70% isopropyl is effective at 5 minutes: In tests of the effect of ethyl alcohol against M. tuberculosis, 95% ethanol killed the tubercle bacilli in sputum or water suspension within 15 seconds 492. In 1964, Spaulding stated that alcohols were the germicide of choice for tuberculocidal activity, and they should be the standard by which all other tuberculocides are compared. For example, he compared the tuberculocidal activity of iodophor (450 ppm), a substituted phenol (3%), and isopropanol (70%/volume) using the mucin-loop test (106 M. tuberculosis per loop) and determined the contact times needed for complete destruction were 120–180 minutes, 45–60 minutes, and 5 minutes, respectively.

      But more relevent to the conversation is how these alcohols perform physiologically on immunoactive disease. To date there is only one study I can find that publishes patient response (as people log on to this site, not petre dishes), only isopropyl alcohol has been clinically demonstrated to reverse hypersensitive immunological lung disease.

      Dr. Smith, if you know of a clinical study involving patients, please post them here so we can share this knowledge, but as a physician I am sure you know, that studies reported in the lab, cannot be directly applied to how it effects patients in clinical use. These types of results need to be presented in clinical studies as was my reference above.

      posted in Repairs & Modifications
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • RE: Covid-19 Closing Down Music Venues

      062fc9bb-f6a2-4a09-ad9b-dc5093ac302f-image.png

      posted in Lounge
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • RE: Clean with 'alcohol'?

      @grune said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:

      oh my,,, I expected discussion, not aggression. A pity: a reflection upon our times now?

      Some excellent points are made, for which I am thankful. I see I should have self-reflected a moment to specify the thread, as one person notes; true, my focus is upon disinfecting; not general cleaning per se. My apologies.

      No need to apologize, grune, as those of us without anger in our hearts could truly understand the intent of your question within the text of your post and I am proud of all the people that heard your call to provide a creative and educational discussion. You created a very nice thread and enough information was provided to allow any reader to make a solid personal decision as how aggressive one needs to protect themselves from an immune response (yours truly included) through extra care of their horn.

      posted in Repairs & Modifications
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • RE: Clean with 'alcohol'?

      @ROWUK said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:
      ...why do you respond with "how in the hell [Dr GO] did you get...". Do you ever look in the mirror (figuratively)... shitty presentations [ROWUK] does reduce the urge to even bother to get involved to about zero.

      Guess I leaned from the best. Apparently we use the same mirror (figuratively). And I mean that, have the most respect for you and always will.

      By the way, my post count is high because I have a lot of time between patients, just to set the record straight.

      posted in Repairs & Modifications
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • RE: Clean with 'alcohol'?

      @ROWUK said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:

      I have been watching this thread for a while and was not sure that I even wanted to get involved... And here is my bitch with this thread - we have all the expert opinions but have ignored the fact that alcohol is NOT a cleaning agent of choice for the home.

      So here is my bitch with your bitch ROWUK... how in the hell did you get the idea this was a discussion about using alcohol as a cleaning agent? The posts above are discussing alcohol as a disinfectant:

      grune: I prefer Ethanol ...a reservoir for disinfectant. ORIGINAL POST WITH TOPIC MATTER CLEARLY STATED

      Dr. GO: ...Ethanol does not eliminate difficult to remove organisms... ONLY isopropyl alcohol at 91% ... was shown to eliminate resistant organisms.

      grune: Regarding single cell organisms... ethanol will kill many...

      Dale Procter: What about that spray made to disinfect mouthpieces?

      Dr. GO: Once again, it will work on most organisms as noted by grune.

      tmd: Remove the organic material and wash it away, and you've gotten rid of these organisms more effectively than isopropyl alcohol or ethanol.

      Dr. GO: Many other brass players instruments were then cultured., and post isopropyl treated horns had a significant inhabitant of atypicals and fungi growth.

      So get the bitch out of your soul ROWUK and understand this is NOT a thread about cleaning, but about disinfecting. This is important and I want to make sure others see the discussion in this context. Why?

      Do most people need to use a disinfectant on their horns? My answer: NO
      Who needs to use disinfectant? My answer: Those individuals that have hyper-immune response to allergens
      OTHERWISE a simple cleaning will do just fine....

      Bitching!

      posted in Repairs & Modifications
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • RE: Clean with 'alcohol'?

      I don't see an argument here. My understanding of the OP's intention was how to address biological organisms collecting in brass instruments, not so much in cleaning a trumpet. I also agree from the perspective of tmd that reducing the burden the increases the colonies of biological species is equally important. To this I totally agree. My discussion primarily centers around the point that to date only one type of alcohol has demonstrated that isopropyl alcohol is successful in protecting a clean trumpet from additional complications of immune sensitivity reactions to musicians at risk. Does ethanol do the same? It might, but that has yet been proven.

      Argument? I see the posts focused on this topic enlightening from the perspective of all contributors that have focused on this topic. Am I missing something?

      posted in Repairs & Modifications
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • RE: Mouthpiece too large?

      5c5d8ef5-94a5-46b3-8930-9966bdc30a4d-image.png

      posted in Mouthpieces & Accessories
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • RE: Clean with 'alcohol'?

      @Dr-GO said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:

      @tmd said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:

      @Dr-GO said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:

      Hi Gary. Yes, I'm familiar with the article. I agree that it's interesting with respect to this one person's hypersensitivity. But it's far from definitive with respect to general cleaning or disinfecting. There was no tissue diagnosis, to confirm cause-and-effect (although I realize there was indirect evidence).
      Mike

      Mike, Here is the link to the more recent article in 2019 chest did demonstrate this with a tissue diagnosis on a similar case:
      d39d53d5-0e09-413f-91f2-f82ccd197e3a-image.png

      c74e6a61-dbcc-432a-af1e-35fa389edc48-image.png

      As for the original article here was the original case descritpion:
      When a 35-year-old professional trombone player came to the Health Center seeking treatment for a chronic cough, the case wasn’t as simple as it first appeared.

      Dr. Mark Metersky, director of the Center for Bronchiectasis Care, quickly learned that the trombonist had been suffering from the recurring cough for approximately 15 years, and prior physicians had not been able to figure out the cause.

      “He didn’t have the typical symptoms that would cause a chronic cough. For instance, he didn’t have a stuffy, runny nose or esophageal reflux problems,” explains Metersky. “Allergy testing was negative, and a physical exam and chest x-ray were all normal.”

      Environmental causes or side effects from medication were also ruled out. More intense scans and exams still did not reveal the reason for the cough.

      But then the musician told Metersky that his symptoms improved significantly when he did not play his trombone for a couple of weeks. He also noted that the periods of more severe symptoms had been when he was playing more than usual.

      Metersky immediately suspected that his patient was suffering from hypersensitivity pneumonitis (HP), a lung condition characterized by shortness of breath and a cough, and that his trombone was the culprit (brass players inhale with the instrument at their mouth between measures).

      An examination of the inside of the instrument showed innumerable whitish plaques, and a further analysis revealed the presence of mold and/or bacteria contamination.

      A few weeks after the musician began immersing his instrument in 91 percent isopropyl alcohol, his cough went away completely.

      The case intrigued Metersky enough that he decided to study several other musicians and their instruments.

      “All seven musicians had at least one instrument contaminated with either mycobacterial or fungal species previously associated with HP,” he says.

      Metersky speculates that since most brass and wind instruments may harbor large numbers of mold and bacteria, many other musicians may be at risk for HP.

      The study is published in the Sept. 7 issue of CHEST, the peer-reviewed journal of the American College of Chest Physicians.

      posted in Repairs & Modifications
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • RE: Clean with 'alcohol'?

      @tmd said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:

      @Dr-GO said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:

      Hi Gary. Yes, I'm familiar with the article. I agree that it's interesting with respect to this one person's hypersensitivity. But it's far from definitive with respect to general cleaning or disinfecting. There was no tissue diagnosis, to confirm cause-and-effect (although I realize there was indirect evidence).
      Mike

      Mike, a tissue diagnosis was made in a subsequent article in Chest...
      c74e6a61-dbcc-432a-af1e-35fa389edc48-image.png

      posted in Repairs & Modifications
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • RE: Clean with 'alcohol'?

      @grune said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:

      @Dr-GO
      Thanks for clarification and advice. I defer to your expertise and accept spores are resistant to ethanol. Regarding single cell organisms, I am told (by other medical authority) ethanol will kill many, such as:
      Pseudomonas aeruginosa
      Serratia marcescens
      E. coli
      Salmonella typhosa
      Staphylococcus aureus
      Streptococcus pyogenes.
      Would you concur?
      If true, then I think I shall continue to use ethanol to inter alia avoid contracting the above. I do give my horn a soap bath and rinse regularly, too.

      • best regards,

      grune, this is one of the articles from the 2010 September Chest article and shows the actual bacteria cultured from brass instruments:

      1dea7315-9af1-4361-b589-1d0d187d4d46-image.png

      posted in Repairs & Modifications
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • RE: Clean with 'alcohol'?

      @tmd said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:

      @grune said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:
      ...Remove the organic material and wash it away, and you've gotten rid of these organisms more effectively than isopropyl alcohol or ethanol.

      Mike

      Actually Mike there is an N of 1 Evidence-based study that does not support your above cleaning comparison. Look up that September 2010 Chest Article. They have culture and medical evidence that isopropyl eliminates any biological effect of atypical mycobacteria and fungi. They blinded brass a brass player with hypersensitivity pneumonitis to see if the horn was the source, with pulmonary functions and everything. The gave the horn standard treatment (as you describe) and isopropyl cleaned above standard treatment. Patient cured with the isopropyl wash. Many other brass players instruments were then cultured., and post isopropyl treated horns had a significant inhabitant of atypicals and fungi growth. Amazing study.

      posted in Repairs & Modifications
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • RE: Clean with 'alcohol'?

      @Dale-Proctor said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:

      @Dr-GO said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:

      @Dale-Proctor said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:

      What about that spray made to disinfect mouthpieces? Label says 70% propanol, plus water and flavoring. Is it harmful? Effective?

      Once again, it will work on most organisms as noted by grune. And for mouthpieces, you really don't have to worry as much regarding maintaining the moist, warm environment that is trapped in the tubing the spore creating organisms of a closed horn system. So it should be fine to use, but I would recommend a rinse with plenty of water if using immediately after spraying. If you let the spray dry, it will be fine.

      Thanks. Yes, the instructions say to let it dry before using the mouthpiece.

      Great. Yeah, drying is key!

      posted in Repairs & Modifications
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • RE: Artist on BOARD

      Wayne, maybe GeorgeB will take the bait and be another one of you happy customers... I know I am!

      posted in Lounge
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • RE: Clean with 'alcohol'?

      @Kehaulani said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:

      @Dr-GO said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:
      Check out all the snipes he deleted.

      I'm not going to let this deteriorate into a "he said, she said" bickering. I have nothing else to say. Just leave me alone and I will be more than happy to do the same.

      What in the hell do you think you just did? Again, listen to your own advice. It is right to the point, but when you cannot see it, it goes on... and on... and on... and on...

      posted in Repairs & Modifications
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • RE: Clean with 'alcohol'?

      @Dale-Proctor said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:

      What about that spray made to disinfect mouthpieces? Label says 70% propanol, plus water and flavoring. Is it harmful? Effective?

      Once again, it will work on most organisms as noted by grune. And for mouthpieces, you really don't have to worry as much regarding maintaining the moist, warm environment that is trapped in the tubing the spore creating organisms of a closed horn system. So it should be fine to use, but I would recommend a rinse with plenty of water if using immediately after spraying. If you let the spray dry, it will be fine.

      posted in Repairs & Modifications
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • RE: Clean with 'alcohol'?

      @GeorgeB said in Clean with 'alcohol'?:

      @Kehaulani said .

      If we can't avoid finding opportunities to slip in cheap shots, I may just reconsider my participation in this forum.

      Oh, man, I'd hate to see that, but I understand what you are saying and fully support it, and I would probably follow suit.
      C'mon, Doc...be nice.

      Check out all the snipes he deleted. I can be nice and have been. I am tying to call out anger before it continues to expand and continues to derail discussion as that is what I am observing in Kehaulani's continued snipes on the majority of my posts over the past week.

      posted in Repairs & Modifications
      Dr GO
      Dr GO
    • 1
    • 2
    • 46
    • 47
    • 48
    • 49
    • 50
    • 124
    • 125
    • 48 / 125