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    Anybody master the 1-3, 2-4 trill?

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    • administrator
      administrator Global Moderator last edited by

      Anybody master the 1-3, 2-4 trill on a piccolo trumpet? This seems like the ultimate fingering challenge, although a complete waste because there are easier & better-sounding alternatives!

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      Selmer Paris Radial Bb
      Selmer Paris Radial 75 C (owned by Frank Kaderabek)
      Bach 190 "Artisan" C
      Scherzer 8111 Piccolo
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      Bill Pfund Bb Cornet
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      • barliman2001
        barliman2001 Global Moderator @administrator last edited by

        @administrator It's relatively easy on a piston picc because you can use your left hand index finger for 4 (as Maurice André did). Difficult to do on early rotary piccs, but some now can be ordered with a left hand button or #4.
        Or just change to a high-G and have done with it.

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        Buescher Aristocrat
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        Selmer G
        Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
        Besson International Bb cornet
        Ganter Eb cornet
        Besson International baritone
        B&H Sovereign trombone
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        • J. Jericho
          J. Jericho last edited by

          Not specifically a piccolo trumpet issue, but in the Jazz realm, the 1-2, 3 trill is challenging as well. I find that practicing this one loosens up my overall fingering technique, keeping my hand and fingers limber for fast work.

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          1919 York Perfec-Tone Cornet
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          • Newell Post
            Newell Post last edited by

            Not sure I understand the question, since I never play 4-valve horns. But isn't 2-4 the same thing as 1-2-3?

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            • OldSchoolEuph
              OldSchoolEuph @Newell Post last edited by

              @Newell-Post said in Anybody master the 1-3, 2-4 trill?:

              Not sure I understand the question, since I never play 4-valve horns. But isn't 2-4 the same thing as 1-2-3?

              Ditto

              A 1+3 to 2+4 trill is just a second valve trill with 4th down

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              • administrator
                administrator Global Moderator last edited by

                Yes, but trilling with your middle and pinky creates character!

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                Olds Super Recording
                Selmer Paris Radial Bb
                Selmer Paris Radial 75 C (owned by Frank Kaderabek)
                Bach 190 "Artisan" C
                Scherzer 8111 Piccolo
                Adams F1 Flugelhorn
                Getzen Capri Cornet
                Bill Pfund Bb Cornet
                Thein "MH One" Bb

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                • Dr GO
                  Dr GO @administrator last edited by

                  @administrator said in Anybody master the 1-3, 2-4 trill?:

                  Yes, but trilling with your middle and pinky creates character!

                  And controversy if misinterpretated.

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                  Getzen Power Bore 1961
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                  • tmd
                    tmd @administrator last edited by

                    @administrator said in Anybody master the 1-3, 2-4 trill?:

                    Anybody master the 1-3, 2-4 trill on a piccolo trumpet? This seems like the ultimate fingering challenge, although a complete waste because there are easier & better-sounding alternatives!

                    Need two hands for this one. đŸ˜‰

                    ... or maybe just use 1-3 to 1-2-3 instead?

                    Mike

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                    • Vulgano Brother
                      Vulgano Brother last edited by

                      I used to torture students who didn't practice by having them finger (dry) the 2, 1-3 combination. Doesn't take long before parts of the arm start screaming.

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                      • OldSchoolEuph
                        OldSchoolEuph @Vulgano Brother last edited by

                        @Vulgano-Brother said in Anybody master the 1-3, 2-4 trill?:

                        I used to torture students who didn't practice by having them finger (dry) the 2, 1-3 combination. Doesn't take long before parts of the arm start screaming.

                        I've spent nearly half a century doing 1-3,2-4 over and over, and 4,2,3,1,3,2,repeat to build/maintain flexibility and strength for fingering (yes, I do not buy into Besson's argument that euphoniums need the 4th valve under the left hand). But the last couple of years, it has been getting hard to keep the patterns going without fingers getting out of sync - same thing is happening to my typing. Don't know if its the arthritis, which is getting worse, or something else (other than teh obvious age thing ...) - see, just did it there! "the"

                        I have to wonder if playing trumpet with that tendency to exploit the pinkie hook these last 9 years might be contributing . . . .

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                        1975 Yamaha YEP Custom
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                        • Dr GO
                          Dr GO @OldSchoolEuph last edited by

                          @OldSchoolEuph said in Anybody master the 1-3, 2-4 trill?:

                          I've spent nearly half a century doing 1-3,2-4 over and over, and 4,2,3,1,3,2,repeat to build/maintain flexibility . . . .

                          I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!

                          Allora Pocket Trumpet 2014
                          Harrelson Summit 2017
                          Kanstul 1526 2012
                          Getzen Power Bore 1961
                          Getzen Eterna 4-Valve Fulgelhorn 1974
                          Martin Committee 1946
                          Olds Super Recording 1940
                          Olds Recording (LA) 1953
                          Olds Recording (Fullerton) 1967
                          Olds Ambassador 1965

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