Anybody master the 1-3, 2-4 trill?

administrator

Anybody master the 1-3, 2-4 trill on a piccolo trumpet? This seems like the ultimate fingering challenge, although a complete waste because there are easier & better-sounding alternatives!

barliman2001

@administrator It's relatively easy on a piston picc because you can use your left hand index finger for 4 (as Maurice André did). Difficult to do on early rotary piccs, but some now can be ordered with a left hand button or #4.
Or just change to a high-G and have done with it.

J. Jericho

Not specifically a piccolo trumpet issue, but in the Jazz realm, the 1-2, 3 trill is challenging as well. I find that practicing this one loosens up my overall fingering technique, keeping my hand and fingers limber for fast work.

Newell Post

Not sure I understand the question, since I never play 4-valve horns. But isn't 2-4 the same thing as 1-2-3?

OldSchoolEuph

@Newell-Post said in Anybody master the 1-3, 2-4 trill?:

Not sure I understand the question, since I never play 4-valve horns. But isn't 2-4 the same thing as 1-2-3?

Ditto

A 1+3 to 2+4 trill is just a second valve trill with 4th down

administrator

Yes, but trilling with your middle and pinky creates character!

Dr GO

@administrator said in Anybody master the 1-3, 2-4 trill?:

Yes, but trilling with your middle and pinky creates character!

And controversy if misinterpretated.

tmd

@administrator said in Anybody master the 1-3, 2-4 trill?:

Anybody master the 1-3, 2-4 trill on a piccolo trumpet? This seems like the ultimate fingering challenge, although a complete waste because there are easier & better-sounding alternatives!

Need two hands for this one.

... or maybe just use 1-3 to 1-2-3 instead?

Mike

Vulgano Brother

I used to torture students who didn't practice by having them finger (dry) the 2, 1-3 combination. Doesn't take long before parts of the arm start screaming.

OldSchoolEuph

@Vulgano-Brother said in Anybody master the 1-3, 2-4 trill?:

I used to torture students who didn't practice by having them finger (dry) the 2, 1-3 combination. Doesn't take long before parts of the arm start screaming.

I've spent nearly half a century doing 1-3,2-4 over and over, and 4,2,3,1,3,2,repeat to build/maintain flexibility and strength for fingering (yes, I do not buy into Besson's argument that euphoniums need the 4th valve under the left hand). But the last couple of years, it has been getting hard to keep the patterns going without fingers getting out of sync - same thing is happening to my typing. Don't know if its the arthritis, which is getting worse, or something else (other than teh obvious age thing ...) - see, just did it there! "the"

I have to wonder if playing trumpet with that tendency to exploit the pinkie hook these last 9 years might be contributing . . . .

Dr GO

@OldSchoolEuph said in Anybody master the 1-3, 2-4 trill?:

I've spent nearly half a century doing 1-3,2-4 over and over, and 4,2,3,1,3,2,repeat to build/maintain flexibility . . . .

I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!