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    • ?
      A Former User last edited by A Former User

      Saw this in New Orleans yesterday. A bugle at the battle of New Orleans. However..... with all the key modifications I wonder what it sounded like and what kind of music it played.

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      • GeorgeB
        GeorgeB @Guest last edited by

        @Niner
        I have heard of valved bugles but have yet to hear what one sounds like.

        1960s King Super 20 Silversonic, 1940 Olds Recording, 1942 Buescher True Tone 400 ,1999 Conn Vintage One Bb trumpet, A 1952 Selmer Paris, A 2020 Getzen 400 and a Manchester Brass ACB custom pro Bb trumpet, a 1962 Conn Victor 5A Cornet.

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        • flugelgirl
          flugelgirl Qualified Repair Techs Veterans & Military Musicians last edited by

          Keyed bugle. We have one at work but it’s in no shape to be played right now. That one’s only half my job - I’ll remove the dents, and the woodwind tech will repad the keys.

          Daily players: Adams A1, A4LT, F2 flugel , CN1 cornet.
          Schagerl Raweni
          Puje 3am(named for me), Benge pocket
          Schilke P5-4, C5L
          Yamaha 761 Eb/D
          Lots of vintage toys

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          • ?
            A Former User @Guest last edited by

            @Niner
            Oh my goodness! A saxophone has slept in sin with a bugle.

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            • Tobylou8
              Tobylou8 last edited by

              Dale Proctor would know!!

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              • Dr GO
                Dr GO @Tobylou8 last edited by

                @Tobylou8 said in Not exactly a trumpet but.....:

                Dale Proctor would know!!

                That is so true, and in trumpet forums his vast knowledge earns him the special title of "Proctortologist", even if his reviews are delayed and he falls a little "behind".

                Allora Pocket Trumpet 2014
                Harrelson Summit 2017
                Kanstul 1526 2012
                Getzen Power Bore 1961
                Getzen Eterna 4-Valve Fulgelhorn 1974
                Martin Committee 1946
                Olds Super Recording 1940
                Olds Recording (LA) 1953
                Olds Recording (Fullerton) 1967
                Olds Ambassador 1965

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                • Tobylou8
                  Tobylou8 last edited by

                  I've begged him to join.... but alas, he has so far declined. Bob Pixley uses Dales old TM avatar now. When I see it, it reminds me of Dale.

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                  • ?
                    A Former User last edited by

                    Here's a video example of what one sounds like.

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                    • Newell Post
                      Newell Post last edited by Newell Post

                      Going from memory, the first keyed bugles appeared around 1800, the first rotary valves in the 1820s, and the first piston valves in the 1830s, so the date of 1813 is right on the money. The Haydn trumpet concerto was written in 1796 and was first performed on a keyed trumpet not entirely unlike this bugle.
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trumpet_Concerto_(Haydn)

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                      Vintage: Committee (54), Recording (59), Super (49), Getzen Severinsen (66)
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                      • administrator
                        administrator Global Moderator last edited by

                        I'm kind of irritated that the museum states it has "valves," when, clearly, it is a "keyed" bugle and not a valved instrument (as in perinet or rotary valves).

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                        Selmer Paris Radial 75 C (owned by Frank Kaderabek)
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                        • GeorgeB
                          GeorgeB @administrator last edited by

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                          Yeah, I was somewhat confused that it was called a bugle with valves when it just showed keys, but what do I know.

                          1960s King Super 20 Silversonic, 1940 Olds Recording, 1942 Buescher True Tone 400 ,1999 Conn Vintage One Bb trumpet, A 1952 Selmer Paris, A 2020 Getzen 400 and a Manchester Brass ACB custom pro Bb trumpet, a 1962 Conn Victor 5A Cornet.

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                          • Bob Pixley
                            Bob Pixley last edited by

                            Yes, that's a keyed bugle, not a valved bugle. Valved bugles are basically the forerunner of the flugelhorn. You'd think people at a museum would be able to get something so simple labled correctly, but I saw one of the instruments in the Gettysburg museum labled incorrectly, too.

                            By trial and error, I learned to play a borrowed Eb keyed bugle a number of years ago and performed a few simple pieces on it before the owner asked for it back and traded it for another instrument. There was no "standard" setup for them, and the number of keys varied from horn to horn. If I remember correctly, all the keys raise the pitch, except for the one nearest the bell flare, which is normally open and lowers the pitch when used.

                            I'm using the "Dale Proctor" avatar with his permission. We are pretty tight...lol

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