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    • SSmith1226
      SSmith1226 last edited by SSmith1226

      I am a seven year comeback player after a 44 year layoff. Over the next seven weeks my opportunities to practice are going to be drastically reduced, culminating in a five week trip overseas either staying in thin walled rural B&B’s or old hotels. My plan is to bring a practice mute and pocket trumpet, but it unlikely that I will have opportunities to use it very often due to the noise constraints of these facilities. I plan on utilizing Tom Hooten’s “Embosure” device and follow his suggested program. I also will bring Larry Meregillano’s “CTS (Compression Training System) and program in order to maintain, and possibly build my “chops” as much as possible. I realize that neither of these are “trumpet playing”, although the “Embosure” device will involve a lot of mouthpiece visualizer buzzing, in addition to the strengthening exercises. The CTS device also will provide strengthening exercises. Has anyone else have any other suggestions, or had a forced layoff of this magnitude, and found any additional ways of preserving or minimizing loss of one’s chops?

      Steve Smith

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      • administrator
        administrator Global Moderator last edited by

        I really like the Yamaha Silent Brass mutes. They allow you to hear yourself as if you were playing without a mute but they block your sound from other people. This is what I would recommend for a long period of time.

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        • SSmith1226
          SSmith1226 @administrator last edited by

          @administrator
          I am planning on bringing the Yamaha Silent Mute as a practice mute. I’ve used it many times in modern hotels and even cruise ships and never had a complaint. I will be staying in rural Scotland and Wales in B&B’s and I’m afraid the sound, even though extremely quiet might penetrate walls and doors. If I am wrong, then my problem is solved. I’ve stayed in similar places elsewhere where even a practice mute would be disruptive. Thus my question.

          Steve Smith

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          • GeorgeB
            GeorgeB @SSmith1226 last edited by

            @ssmith1226

            Seven weeks is a long time, Steve. I will be pulling for you.

            George

            1960s King Super 20 Silversonic, 1940 Olds Recording, 1942 Buescher True Tone 400 ,1999 Conn Vintage One Bb trumpet, A 1952 Selmer Paris, A 2020 Getzen 400 and a Manchester Brass ACB custom pro Bb trumpet, a 1962 Conn Victor 5A Cornet.

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            • barliman2001
              barliman2001 Global Moderator @SSmith1226 last edited by

              @ssmith1226 Steve, there is an easy solution. In Scotland and Wales, there are brass bands aplenty. Just bring a cornet - not a pocket trumpet (they are not much smaller than a shepherd' crook cornet) - and ask whether you may sit in at rehearsals of the local bunch of roughs. If you need addresses for that, just give me your itinerary and I can have a play with my contacts there. Much better than sitting in your room annoying Barbara...

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              Olds Recording
              Buescher Aristocrat
              Gaudet C
              Selmer G
              Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
              Besson International Bb cornet
              Courtois Bb cornet
              B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
              B&H Sovereign trombone
              Willy Garreis trombone
              Weltklang Euph

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              • SSmith1226
                SSmith1226 @GeorgeB last edited by SSmith1226

                @GeorgeB
                It will be an interesting experiment!

                @barliman2001
                Yes, it definitely will annoy Barbara!!!
                I will be on bus tours and will fixed schedules, but I will look out for Brass Bands.

                Steve Smith

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                • Kehaulani
                  Kehaulani Credentialed Professional last edited by

                  I've traveled all over the world as a musician. There are parking garages and there are storage rooms where you can play, open horn. Maybe even ballrooms etc. which are vacant.

                  Silent Brass is a gas. I am currently using a Best Brass which is very quiet but doesn't provide the kind of feedback Silent Brass provides.

                  https://www.wwbw.com/Best-Brass-Trumpet-Warm-Up-Mute-H90984-H90984000000000.wwbw?rNtt=best brass mute&index=14

                  Those other devices only go so far before they get gimmickey. Play open-horn as much as possible.

                  Benge 3X
                  Martin Committee
                  Getzen Capri Cornet
                  Adams F-1 Flugelhorn

                  "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn."
                  Charlie Parker

                  "Even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis, I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis."
                  Chet Baker

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                  • SSmith1226
                    SSmith1226 @Kehaulani last edited by

                    @kehaulani
                    Thanks!

                    Steve Smith

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                    • barliman2001
                      barliman2001 Global Moderator @SSmith1226 last edited by

                      @ssmith1226 Well, you know where to reach me if you need some contacts. Or just tell me whereabouts you are going. Or just contact Nick Jones of Coronation Brass - he knows all the Welsh bands.

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                      Olds Recording
                      Buescher Aristocrat
                      Gaudet C
                      Selmer G
                      Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
                      Besson International Bb cornet
                      Courtois Bb cornet
                      B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
                      B&H Sovereign trombone
                      Willy Garreis trombone
                      Weltklang Euph

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                        Trumpetb last edited by

                        I have never had a problem finding plenty of places to play.

                        First of all equipment, the smallest under seat cabin bag for most international carriers can accommodate a standard trumpet.

                        If that doesnt work cornets fit in the smallest of bags.

                        I have travelled abroad internationally in passenger jets with a trumpet stowed in a cabin bag under the seat in front of me with no difficulties at all.

                        Dump the trumpet case, take a soft cabin bag.

                        This means you will never have to compromise on your equipment while travelling.

                        When you get to your destination, there are always parks woods streets back alleys I have never had any difficulty finding a dozen places within minutes of where I am accommodated.

                        The only place there has ever been any issue or restriction
                        was a Mall. And their heads were so far up their rear ends they outlawed their customers from singing or humming to themselves in the Mall.

                        The problem you will most likely face is turning people down who want you to play for them.

                        The main problem I expect you to suffer is there being too many places to play and practice in rather than there being too few.

                        What I have seen in the past in forums is trumpet players who insist on buying a pocket trumpet when there is no need, and then they insist upon playing it in their hotel room and suffering intonation issues from unfamiliar gear and complaints from the hotels guests.

                        Take a trumpet with you, walk to a park, alley, street, and you will be astounded by the good will and respect the citizens there who are staved of live music, will give you for your efforts.

                        What better high is there for a musician than spontaneous applause and cheers for what amounts to doing a bit of practice to preserve your chops.

                        One thing I would suggest is learning a few simple tunes that you can play easily that local audiences might like, but I suspect you dont need that being an experienced player.

                        People want to hear you, so let them and have a ball doing it.

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                        Besson New creation 1924
                        Besson New Creation Large Bore 1948
                        Besson New Creation Medium Bore Modele Francaise 1948
                        Olds Ambassador LA model 1948
                        Selmer Invicta with french rim
                        Cornets
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                        Conn 80A 1965
                        Yamaha 2330

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                        • SSmith1226
                          SSmith1226 @Trumpetb last edited by

                          @trumpetb
                          On this trip, I’m afraid the weapon of choice will have to be my seven year old Mendini Pocket Trumpet. The limiting factor is that most of my transportation and touring in the UK will be on low budget 16 passengers tour busses with long day trips, late dinners. and late returns to the bare bones accommodations. Luggage is limited to one bag and one carry on personal item. I can pack the Mendini in the suit case protected by clothing and hope for the best. If it gets damaged, it is not the end of the world.

                          Steve Smith

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                          • Dr GO
                            Dr GO last edited by

                            If you can take a trumpet, the Yamaha Silent Mute.

                            If you cannot take a trumpet (like Disney Cruises-where confiscate your trumpet or to Saudi Arabia where music is outlawed and they confiscate your hands), take a mouthpiece and cup it in a hand towel.

                            Allora Pocket Trumpet 2014
                            Harrelson Summit 2017
                            Kanstul 1526 2012
                            Getzen Power Bore 1961
                            Getzen Eterna 4-Valve Fulgelhorn 1974
                            Martin Committee 1946
                            Olds Super Recording 1940
                            Olds Recording (LA) 1953
                            Olds Recording (Fullerton) 1967
                            Olds Ambassador 1965

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                            • Dr GO
                              Dr GO @Trumpetb last edited by

                              @trumpetb said in Forced Layoff:

                              What I have seen in the past in forums is trumpet players who insist on buying a pocket trumpet when there is no need, and then they insist upon playing it in their hotel room and suffering intonation issues from unfamiliar gear and complaints from the hotels guests.

                              I insisted in buying a pocket trumpet when I had to travel for several weeks to Saudi Arabia as a consultant to help start up a medical school. Being away all that time from playing the trumpet was just not an option. I found a real cheap Allora Pocket Trumpet advertised in the AFM magazine for $250. I figured if the Saudi's confiscated my horn, I would only be out $250. As it turned out, they did confiscate my Pocket Trumpet three times. Each time I pleaded with the security supervisor, promised I would only play it in my hotel (with my Yamaha Silent Mute, which I would show them) and each time, they were impressed enough to give me my horn back.

                              I did sneak the horn in with me while going to a party in the desert. I snuck out away from the crowd, found a nice sequestered area in a sand dune, and proceed to play... "Midnight in the Oasis" and "Caravan" among others. Got away with it as I still have my hands to this day.

                              Here is a pic of our international group in a ceremonial tent set up at the desert picnic, The founding Dean of the Medical School has his hands all over me, but you can see, I still have my hands as well:
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                              Allora Pocket Trumpet 2014
                              Harrelson Summit 2017
                              Kanstul 1526 2012
                              Getzen Power Bore 1961
                              Getzen Eterna 4-Valve Fulgelhorn 1974
                              Martin Committee 1946
                              Olds Super Recording 1940
                              Olds Recording (LA) 1953
                              Olds Recording (Fullerton) 1967
                              Olds Ambassador 1965

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                              • J. Jericho
                                J. Jericho Global Moderator @SSmith1226 last edited by

                                @ssmith1226 Check out https://www.themouthpiece.com/ . Most of the members live in the U.K., and all are willing to help with answers to any questions you may have.

                                BTW - Here's a guide to your travels in that part of the world:

                                '62 Olds Studio Trumpet
                                '67 Olds Special Trumpet
                                2013 Dillon Pocket Trumpet
                                '83 Yamaha YFH-731 Flugelhorn
                                1919 York Perfec-Tone Cornet
                                '50 Olds Studio Trombone
                                Shofar

                                "If it was just up to me, I'd only have trumpet players on my show." - Jackie Gleason

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                                • Kehaulani
                                  Kehaulani Credentialed Professional @SSmith1226 last edited by Kehaulani

                                  @ssmith1226 said in Forced Layoff:

                                  @trumpetb
                                  On this trip, I’m afraid the weapon of choice will have to be my seven year old Mendini Pocket Trumpet.

                                  The last time I went to Germany, I had a pocket trumpet, too. Carried it in my suitcase. No problems.
                                  (Glad you got out of Saudi Arabia in one piece, Dr GO. I assume you took no women.)

                                  Benge 3X
                                  Martin Committee
                                  Getzen Capri Cornet
                                  Adams F-1 Flugelhorn

                                  "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn."
                                  Charlie Parker

                                  "Even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis, I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis."
                                  Chet Baker

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                                  • barliman2001
                                    barliman2001 Global Moderator @SSmith1226 last edited by

                                    @ssmith1226 If the Mendini gets stolen or lost, you can always give me a quick call and I'll arrange for my Arnold & Sons pocket trumpet to reach you within two or three days (I got it for free or rather for writing a review of it for a music magazine here in Austria)

                                    Courtois Balanced
                                    Courtois D
                                    Olds Recording
                                    Buescher Aristocrat
                                    Gaudet C
                                    Selmer G
                                    Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
                                    Besson International Bb cornet
                                    Courtois Bb cornet
                                    B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
                                    B&H Sovereign trombone
                                    Willy Garreis trombone
                                    Weltklang Euph

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                                    • GeorgeB
                                      GeorgeB @Dr GO last edited by

                                      @dr-go

                                      Oh, my, Doc, I do fear for your safety, Doc ! 😦

                                      1960s King Super 20 Silversonic, 1940 Olds Recording, 1942 Buescher True Tone 400 ,1999 Conn Vintage One Bb trumpet, A 1952 Selmer Paris, A 2020 Getzen 400 and a Manchester Brass ACB custom pro Bb trumpet, a 1962 Conn Victor 5A Cornet.

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                                      • SSmith1226
                                        SSmith1226 @J. Jericho last edited by

                                        @j-jericho said in Forced Layoff:

                                        @ssmith1226

                                        …… BTW - Here's a guide to your travels in that part of the world:

                                        Thanks!!! That makes things abundantly clear!!!

                                        Steve Smith

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                                        • barliman2001
                                          barliman2001 Global Moderator @SSmith1226 last edited by

                                          @ssmith1226 ... and is quite erroneous, seeing that the UK left the EU several years ago...

                                          Courtois Balanced
                                          Courtois D
                                          Olds Recording
                                          Buescher Aristocrat
                                          Gaudet C
                                          Selmer G
                                          Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
                                          Besson International Bb cornet
                                          Courtois Bb cornet
                                          B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
                                          B&H Sovereign trombone
                                          Willy Garreis trombone
                                          Weltklang Euph

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                                          • J. Jericho
                                            J. Jericho Global Moderator @barliman2001 last edited by

                                            @barliman2001 Well, this video posted 12 years ago, so we can incorporate more recent events to bring ourselves up to date. It's still informative, and the sense of humor is a nice touch.

                                            '62 Olds Studio Trumpet
                                            '67 Olds Special Trumpet
                                            2013 Dillon Pocket Trumpet
                                            '83 Yamaha YFH-731 Flugelhorn
                                            1919 York Perfec-Tone Cornet
                                            '50 Olds Studio Trombone
                                            Shofar

                                            "If it was just up to me, I'd only have trumpet players on my show." - Jackie Gleason

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