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      R. Strauss - Eine Alpensinfonie, Auf dem Gipfel concert no. 86:

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      How I wish Strauss had inserted a high E there. He expected his 3rd trumpet to play fortissimo G, C & D, surely it would not have been a stretch to insert a 1/2 note E. This bothers me every time I hear a recording of the piece!!

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        By the way, here is a stunning recording of the piece. You will know what I mean when you reach 4:23!

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        • Kehaulani
          Kehaulani Credentialed Professional last edited by

          He's delaying the cadence and climax. Hear how it leads into a change in texture and volume. Ebb and flow.

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          • ROWUK
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            @administrator said in Notes I wish were there!:

            R. Strauss - Eine Alpensinfonie, Auf dem Gipfel concert no. 86:

            Screenshot from 2020-07-09 21-30-23.png

            How I wish Strauss had inserted a high E there. He expected his 3rd trumpet to play fortissimo G, C & D, surely it would not have been a stretch to insert a 1/2 note E. This bothers me every time I hear a recording of the piece!!

            In German orchestras the 3rd trumpet is often a 3rd/assistant 1st trumpet position. The player would have been capable.
            He therefore did not leave the E out because of the player not being able, he simply did not want that climax there. Just think about all of the attempts to get to the top of Mt. Everest. Strauss documenting not getting to the top (without death or a train wreck) is significant.

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              @ROWUK said in Notes I wish were there!:

              @administrator said in Notes I wish were there!:

              R. Strauss - Eine Alpensinfonie, Auf dem Gipfel concert no. 86:

              Screenshot from 2020-07-09 21-30-23.png

              How I wish Strauss had inserted a high E there. He expected his 3rd trumpet to play fortissimo G, C & D, surely it would not have been a stretch to insert a 1/2 note E. This bothers me every time I hear a recording of the piece!!

              In German orchestras the 3rd trumpet is often a 3rd/assistant 1st trumpet position. The player would have been capable.
              He therefore did not leave the E out because of the player not being able, he simply did not want that climax there. Just think about all of the attempts to get to the top of Mt. Everest. Strauss documenting not getting to the top (without death or a train wreck) is significant.

              This makes sense.

              However, the octave below and the next are there.

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              • Kehaulani
                Kehaulani Credentialed Professional last edited by

                So the notes are there, harmonically, but the trumpet tessitura is not. It's not implied by the notes in a different octave that they should be there in a higher one. It's an orchestrational choice based on the carrying power, or absence of, a screaming trumpet E above High C.

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                Martin Committee
                Getzen Capri Cornet
                Adams F-1 Flugelhorn

                "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn."
                Charlie Parker

                "Even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis, I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis."
                Chet Baker

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