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Given the apparent Nickel plated finish, the design of the water keys and the low serial number I might guess it was made in Soviet Russia. I have seen similar examples.

I have often said that valve problems are due to either Dirt, Damage, or Distortion. Your cleaning certainly resolves one of these possibilities. However I would hesitate to encourage or even strongly discourage people from willy nilly cleaning their valves in an ultrasonic bath. Those ultrasonic waves can also pierce thin or compromised metal, and sometimes the thinnest gauge brass on a trumpet is the ports in the valve.

Caveat Emptor!

Bon Voyage! In the meantime I will cover you in Augsburg. VIEL SPASS!

Petrucci Music Library
https://s9.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/8/8c/IMSLP599943-PMLP1617-Brahms_Symphony_No.4_-_Trumpets_in_Bb.pdf

If the Czech Republic will allow dual citizenship, I would go for it.

I was there! It was a truly magnificent concert. Burghausen is 30 minutes up the road for me and there is a lot of jazz happening there, I play in their monthly Jam sessions. I also spent 3 days in a masterclass with Jon Faddis, a wonderful warm human being.

@trumpetsplus In reply to the OP. Yes there is a timbre difference using valves; this helps me, when listening to recordings, identify what notes are being played - i.e. is it an A on a Bb trumpet or a G on a C trumpet.

About C trumpet intonation (mentioned earlier in this thread), pushing my barrow slightly, when I build a C trumpet I have slightly different length proportions before and after the valve block, plus some additional in-house decisions on the lead pipe. Jeff Christiana, when he was the big honcho for Bach trumpets was astounded at the playability and intonation of my C trumpets.

@rowuk I will be around 5-15 August and would love to see you. My Gutenstein dates are the week of the 21st.

Last week there was I really helpful exchange of views on the "Difference between Cornet and Trumpet" thread all of a sudden after over 2 years of silence. If that thread had been locked it would likely not have happened as it was resurrected by a new member who likely would not have jumped through the hoops to have it opened up.

@trumpetb Thank you for your kind words. So much of trumpet design and playing can only easily be described by metaphor. Take the common instructions from teachers "use more air". Well, when one actually measures the amount of air going through the trumpet, or considers the length of a phrase, one realises that these instruments are not pneumatic circuits. But the instruction is valid! In trumpet design all we can do is experiment to see what works - when a computer simulation can predict what will happen when a particular brace is moved I will hang up my mouthpiece!

As far as the sharp and gentle curves are concerned, bearing in mind that sound waves love straight lines, I like to imagine the pathway as something like the attached sketch, where each time the wave (the red line) hits the wall some higher frequencies are lost (like the boom box in a car several corners away - you hear the bass but not the treble). In the sketch the gentle curve of the tuning slide has many more collisions than the sharp valve slide bend.

Please remember this is ONLY A THOUGHT - and as I have often said
I think does not equal it is

@trumpetb The valve crooks, having a sharper bend than a tuning slide, have less affect on the timbre than the tuning slide. I wrote a possible reason for this.

Yes, I can usually detect what notes/valve combinations a trumpet player is playing. I think this is timbral, although I do have a highly developed ear for pitch (but not perfect pitch). I am glad that the trumpet retains its personality vis a vis the changes in timbre which allow me to observe this. Let us not attempt to emulate the computer!

Interesting thread, I started it solely to point out the self evident differences between the 2 instruments: Trumpet (French Besson design) and Cornet (Besson Brass Band design). Others have postulated a "this for that" description of design elements, but instrument design is much more complex. We know that putting a shepherd's crook bell (like Adams has) or introducing an extra coil (like I have on Jaeger ascending valve instruments and Puje does on their trumpets) on a trumpet will not magically turn it into a cornet.

Bends alone do not change tonality immensely or hugely...

If this were the case the after market tuning slides - D shaped, rounded etc, would not make a difference. It is generally accepted that they do.

An acoustics engineer once remarked to me "Sound waves love straight lines." When I change my regular main slide (quite square) with a very round one there is a distinct loss of higher harmonics. I imagine a straight line going along a curved tube; the more gentle the curve the more reflections from the sides, the more reflections, the more highs are lost. This is only a thought, but the change in timbre I describe is real and I can demonstrate this quite easily. My friends at Taylor trumpets made a bell with a sharp acute angle rather than the conventional curve; they tell me (and I believe them) that the trumpet sound is not compromised by this arrangement.

Valve slide crooks have quite sharp bends and the sound wave only bounces off the side of the tube twice to achieve 180 degrees; Tuning slide and Bell bows have much more gradual bends and the timbre can be modified by the shape of these. In fact these bends are one of the many important factors we consider when designing trumpets.

@administrator said in Cannonball Trumpets ???:
They were made by B&S, I'm not sure if that's still the case.

They have not been made by B&S for some years, later ones were made by Kanstul, until they closed their doors. I do not know who is making them now.

In contrast with the excellent Cannonball saxophones, Cannonball is a name that has been engraved on various trumpet models from different (at least 3) manufacturers over the years, so it is not possible to give an all-embracing opinion of them.

@trumpetb Welcome to Trumpets Boards and thank you for your input. I am sure we are very interested to see some of your experiments.

As Louis Armstrong said (paraphrased)
"I play the melody, then I play the melody around the melody, then I play the melody around that melody".

Avoid riffs and avoid patterns. Learn to play melodies by ear, learn to hear what key of the moment you are in, and listen to the greats of the past. Sing their solos.

@barliman2001 I will be there!

@kehaulani I'm next to the Austrian border near Salzburg. The shop is up and running - I have just completed a C cornet conversion and have a Flugel in for a Quarter tone valve fitting. My booklet "Trumpeting 4 Fun" is currently being translated into German.

@ssmith1226 MAW valves when depressed and Rotary valves in both states present a sharp edge at the entrance to the chamber to anything flowing through. Conventional piston valves do not present this sharp edge.

@rowuk We look forward to seeing you again!