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    • Dr GO
      Dr GO last edited by

      I have been looking at definitions of music. Here they are:

      Many Definitions leave out Rhythm
      Vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion.
      Fundamentally, music is a combination of sounds, and sound is vibration.
      Music is a collection of coordinated sound or sounds.
      An organized combination of sound and silent moments.

      Wikipedia and Marium-Webster Gets More Specific Regarding Rhythm
      Music is an art form and cultural activity whose medium is sound organized in time.
      The science or art of ordering tones or sounds in succession, in combination, and in temporal relationships to produce a composition having unity and continuity
      Vocal, instrumental, or mechanical sounds having rhythm, melody, or harmony

      So here are my discussion points.
      Can sound not have melody, harmony or rhythm and still be music?
      Does sound need to be coordinated?
      Does sound need to be organized in time?

      Discuss... and if you can, give audio or video examples of your examples:

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      • Kehaulani
        Kehaulani last edited by Kehaulani

        I can find parts of any of those definitions to argue against. This is futile.

        I used to be on a board funded by the Ford Foundation and supported by the Comprehensive Musicianship Project (CMP) and we panel members were creating a CMP curricula for schools. It was subsequently published in three volumes by Harper and Rowe.

        One of the things essential in this project was defining music. We couldn't do it and it was a pretty talented group of people. There was no definition we could come up with was without exceptions. I think we might have come up with something just to satisfy the suits, but we weren't satisfied.

        One can come up with what it means to you but that doesn't make it universal.

        Sorry to stop a conversation when it's just getting started, but I'm not sure there is an answer. If anyone comes up with a definition more power to you . . . but I doubt it.

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        • J. Jericho
          J. Jericho last edited by J. Jericho

          This...

          is music to my ears. I'd say it has its own melody, the overtones provide harmony, it definitely has distinctive timbre, there is a loose rhythm, and, a quality I consider essential to good music: it evokes a primal, emotional response.

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          • Dr GO
            Dr GO @J. Jericho last edited by Dr GO

            @J-Jericho said in Music. What is It?:

            This...

            is music to my ears.

            This has it all, rhythm, vocals, words, instruments and yes... a car!

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            • Vulgano Brother
              Vulgano Brother last edited by

              "Sound in time."

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              • Shifty
                Shifty last edited by

                It would take an entire book. A good start is This is Your Brain on Music.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Is_Your_Brain_on_Music

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                • administrator
                  administrator Global Moderator last edited by

                  This is one of those fruitless subjects I had to write essays on as a music undergraduate. You have to understand, I have an analytical brain, so ambiguity doesn't sit well with me. So I think I'll just provide a clear answer, regardless of how true it is.

                  Music is horses. There you go 🙂

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                  • dupac
                    dupac last edited by dupac

                    What is Music?
                    Here is the u(l)timate answer:

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                    • Kehaulani
                      Kehaulani @Vulgano Brother last edited by

                      @Vulgano-Brother said in Music. What is It?:

                      "Sound in time."
                      Everything is in time, is it not?

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                      • Tobylou8
                        Tobylou8 last edited by

                        Music is in the ear of the beholder. Riddle solved.

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                        • administrator
                          administrator Global Moderator @Tobylou8 last edited by

                          @Tobylou8 said in Music. What is It?:

                          Music is in the ear of the beholder. Riddle solved.

                          No.

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                          • Tobylou8
                            Tobylou8 @administrator last edited by

                            @administrator said in Music. What is It?:

                            @Tobylou8 said in Music. What is It?:

                            Music is in the ear of the beholder. Riddle solved.

                            No.

                            Yes.

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                            • BigDub
                              BigDub last edited by

                              Music is when a child says, "I hear music"
                              We, on the other hand are so removed from the simplistic
                              Innocence of a child that we can’t even figure out what it is any longer.
                              Try to forget everything the world tries to tell us and let music be what you want it to be. Let everyone else fight and bicker about it.

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                              • Dr GO
                                Dr GO @BigDub last edited by Dr GO

                                @BigDub said in Music. What is It?:

                                Music is when a child says, "I hear music"
                                Innocence of a child that we can’t even figure out what it is any longer

                                Innocence, Hell. My granddaughter says "I hear music" when let a fart go! Music? Only if you consider the lower br*-ass a wind instrument!

                                *back region

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                                • Kehaulani
                                  Kehaulani last edited by

                                  Like I said . . . 😄

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                                  • Kehaulani
                                    Kehaulani last edited by Kehaulani

                                    This turned into a very timely topic because I just saw something that I thought was very hip on open-access cable T.V. that defied category, especially because it would challenge some definitions of music. It was what most would cause noise with a nice use of space. The space set off the sound so that you listened to the sound, when it came, more acutely. I don't know what one would call it. It was music to my ears.

                                    Maybe a re-reading of Cage's Silence is due. BTW, the ensemble was a group of local young people, no oldies in the group. Nice to hear such unstructured avant guard still lives.

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                                    • fels
                                      fels last edited by

                                      @Shifty said in Music. What is It?:

                                      It would take an entire book. A good start is This is Your Brain on Music.

                                      This is a great book by the same author who wrote about brain plasticity -- also a rock musician in his youth.

                                      Going elsewhere:

                                      I like to think of potential answers in terms of anthropology - my major in college. The field of ethnomusicology opens the thread to N+ topics. For starters, the purpose or use of most "primitive" (stone to iron age) has been suggested for one or all of the following: religious ritual, sex or sex ritual, and warfare.

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                                      • BigDub
                                        BigDub @Dr GO last edited by BigDub

                                        @Dr-GO said in Music. What is It?:

                                        @BigDub said in Music. What is It?:

                                        Music is when a child says, "I hear music"
                                        Innocence of a child that we can’t even figure out what it is any longer

                                        Innocence, Hell. My granddaughter says "I hear music" when let a fart go! Music? Only if you consider the lower br*-ass a wind instrument!

                                        *back region

                                        Well, that little sprout is only bearing the fruit of that which was put into her impressionable little heart

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                                        • Pinstriper
                                          Pinstriper last edited by

                                          This is music. Technically.

                                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rGVXLNQ3dY&list=RD7j6vrcbi470&index=7

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                                          • J
                                            Jolter last edited by

                                            This is an interesting topic, and you've all provided insightful comments, but why on earth is this thread in the Classified/Music section?
                                            Mods?

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