Amadeus Cafe
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This is the menu from the Amadeus café in Mahon Menorca. It is unlikely that Mozart composed this.
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I've got a Flintstones story,
I was going from one main venue to anther to see Joe Henderson at the New Orleans Jazz Festival, when I passed a little kiosk with a young band playing their a**es off. Small group of listeners. The band was playing the tune Flintstones.I told the girl I was with, "Hear those folks? The music business is so tough, you may never hear from them again. But the are world class."
After the gig, I talked to them for a while. Real nice guys. Turned out to be Wynton ane Branford Marsalis!
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@kehaulani
Neat story.
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@kehaulani said in Amadeus Cafe:
I've got a Flintstones story,
I was going from one main venue to anther to see Joe Henderson at the New Orleans Jazz Festival, when I passed a little kiosk with a young band playing their a**es off. Small group of listeners. The band was playing the tune Flintstones.I told the girl I was with, "Hear those folks? The music business is so tough, you may never hear from them again. But the are world class."
After the gig, I talked to them for a while. Real nice guys. Turned out to be Wynton ane Branford Marsalis!
I lived in New Orleans from July, 1974 through June, 1979. In 1975 or 1976 I took my girlfriend, who is now my wife, to a small bar / restaurant in the French Quarter. We listened to these young kids who were great. I didn’t speak with them, but the Marsalis Brothers were wonderfully talented. Her roommate’s father, George Jansen, was one of Wynton Marsalis’s early Trumpet Teachers when he was in high school. In 1975 or 1976 Wynton would have been 14 or 15.
The closest that I came to Wynton Marsalis after my first encounter, was test playing one of his horns at the Monette Facility around five years ago while it was in the final phases of being built. Needless to say, it did not improve my playing.Steve Smith
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@ssmith1226
Another neat story about one of my favorite trumpet players.I have only ever got to meet and talk to 2 famous pro players: Louis Armstrong and Al Hirt. I wish Wynton had been number 3. There are so many questions I would ask him.
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@georgeb said in Amadeus Cafe:
@ssmith1226
Another neat story about one of my favorite trumpet players.I have only ever got to meet and talk to 2 famous pro players: Louis Armstrong and Al Hirt. I wish Wynton had been number 3. There are so many questions I would ask him.
GeorgePerhaps you can: https://wyntonmarsalis.org/tour/upcoming and https://wyntonmarsalis.org/tour/upcoming/P50
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I've been to Toronto more times than I remember during my working years, but my traveling days are over. Still it's nice to see that at least one Canadian city was on his tour list.
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I have no issues with a Cafe calling itself Amadeus considering that Mozart was not officially called or named Amadeus, other than in after his death.
The name was simply a nickname that was used when discussing Mozart and it means loved by God.
Although I understand that Mozart himself did once call himself Amadeus.
I cant think of a better name for a Cafe than the Loved by God Cafe. Seems appropriate if you make really good food.
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@trumpetb Actually, Mozart was given the second name Amadé (the Frenchified version of Amadeus) at birth... but as is usual in Austria, he did not use it except on formal occasions. To his parents, he was "Wolferl", to some of his friends "Gangerl".
Only in official correspondence he used the full name, partly Latinized: "Wolfgangus Amadé Mozart".
And to make things quite clear: There is no other well-known composer with that second name. -
My information is slightly different, so I offer it.
He was baptised Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus Mozart
At its root, Amadeus comes from the third of his long line of middle names, Theophilus: a Greek name meaning ‘lover of God’ or ‘loved by God’. In its German form, it translates as ‘Gottlieb’ while in Latin, it becomes ‘Amadeus’.
During his lifetime, Mozart did sign some letters in mock Latin as ‘Wolfgangus Amadeus Mozartus’, adding ‘us’ to the end of each name that lacked it presumably to make all his names sound latin-ish. If we reject Mozartus as being a comic affectation of Mozart should we not also reject Amadeus as a comic affectation of Amade.
He also morphed his name it is said into Wolfgango Amadeo, which later became Wolfgang Amade from about 1777.
He signed his name ‘Wolfgang Amade Mozart on his marriage certificate so perhaps this is the more correct name - Amade, as you say.
It was deemed pretty normal to translate your name into other languages in Mozart’s day but I feel we really should use only the names appearing in official documents where possible, as we have seen it quickly becomes very messy if we dont, particularly if the man himself uses many alternates as Mozart appears to have done.
Later upon his death the magistrate registering his death in Vienna entered this into his records - Wolfgang Amadeus.
I suspect that the magistrate in Vienna did not have the benefit of knowing he was baptised Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus Mozart, and lacked the inclination to research it, and perhaps saw no problem using the name often given to Mozart of Amadeus, and Mozart was not around to correct the magistrate and set the record straight.
And after that it all collapsed when Amadeus became the usual and accepted name for Mozart in society.
So which should we use, his Birth name, his name upon death entered into the documents of his passing, translations in other languages, his preferred name, or the name that society has decreed he be called.
I do not feel confident enough with all the confusion to disagree with your contention, you seem to have good sources, but I feel things are too confused to completely agree with you on this topic of what Mozart was really called given the time that has elapsed since his death and the confusion of history.
I guess all we can deduce is, his parents liked Theophilus, he himself liked both Amade and Amadeo, and the public liked Amadeus.
Perhaps then like so many things, when asked what his real name was, the only answer that can be correct is, - it depends.
And for me, if the viennese magistrate who registered his death did it wrongly as that of the death of Wolfgang Amadeus instead of his correct name of Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus Mozart. then surely we can argue that Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus Mozart did not die, and he therefore lives on.
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Just shorten it to "The Moz", and be done with it!
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Or the musician formerly known as "A".
