Newby - Need help identifying a Conn Trumpet
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Hi All,
I have recently acquired a 1932 Conn trumpet that the best I can do is say it is probably a 58B New Era but it doesn't match the pics I have found exactly.
This horn has a copper leadpipe, and no third finger ring, although it does look like it may have had one. The bell engraving is very generic compared to all the other one I have found.
Are there any experts on old Conns that might be able to help me identify this better.
Thanks,
Ray Z
If you don't know where you are going how will you know when you get there.
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Hi Ray, would be nice to see a few pictures. There are so many possibilities with your description.
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I am not aware of any Conn trumpet or cornet from that era having a copper leadpipe. There were some copper casings on the 24B and 25B Opera Grand model but Coprion didn't make it's way to the lineup until the late '30s. I'm a sucker for copper and would love to see a picture or two or three!!! It could be someone switched it to copper to darken the tone a bit.
Here's a link to the Conn Loyalist website. It is the best resource for all things Conn that I've found. https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnLooksTrumpet.htmlBelow are a 10B with copper lead pipe and bell, and a 6B late model with copper lead pipe only. These are the only vintage Conns with copper leadpipes that I'm aware of. PICS PICS PICS!!!!
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The model number was stamped on the bottom of the mouthpiece receiver starting in 1925.
But that is no good if the mouthpiece receiver has been replaced.
moshe
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If Masterwannabe's horn is a 58B, it's a "peashooter" which were very common in that era. Conn even touted it's brilliance! They had more than a tendency to be brilliant. I have a 40B from '32 and it was too bright for a swing/big band director! Maybe someone loved the horn enough to put a coprion leadpipe on it to "tame" it? here's a 58B New Era.
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@Tobylou8
I am new here so please how to post pictures to this.Ray Z
If you don't know where you are going it doesn't matter how you get there !!!!!!!!
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Take a picture with your phone then copy and paste in the reply box. It should be easy from mobile. If you have internet pictures from the ad/sale just right click, copy image, then paste in the reply box. The admin has made it easy. Well, I've forgotten how to upload from my phone!
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@MasterWannabe said in Newby - Need help identifying a Conn Trumpet:
@Tobylou8
I am new here so please how to post pictures to this.Sorry, not as easy from the phone as I remembered. It has to be a small image in KB not MB, at least on my phone YMMV.
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It works fine from my computer, so if you can put it on your computer, it may be easier.
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@MasterWannabe said in Newby - Need help identifying a Conn Trumpet:
@Tobylou8
I am new here so please how to post pictures to this.THE ABSOLUTE easiest way is to go to your computers "Type here to search" on the toll bar, write in snipping, and the tool window appears. Click on "New"; capture the image you want; go to Edit and click "Save" then go to the reply window on TB right click and chose "Paste". It is fool proof, and the fact that I am a fool and my pictures make it here on TB is proof.
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@Tobylou8 said in Newby - Need help identifying a Conn Trumpet:
I am not aware of any Conn trumpet or cornet from that era having a copper leadpipe. There were some copper casings on the 24B and 25B Opera Grand model but Coprion didn't make it's way to the lineup until the late '30s. I'm a sucker for copper and would love to see a picture or two or three!!! It could be someone switched it to copper to darken the tone a bit.
Here's a link to the Conn Loyalist website. It is the best resource for all things Conn that I've found. https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnLooksTrumpet.htmlBelow are a 10B with copper lead pipe and bell, and a 6B late model with copper lead pipe only. These are the only vintage Conns with copper leadpipes that I'm aware of. PICS PICS PICS!!!!
That first horn looks like a 38B, except for the copper. Is it? And if so, what are the playing differences. Thanks.
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Not the topic, I realize, but those are all fine looking horns. Somebody took care of them.
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@Shepherds_Crook Here is one that I hope shows the copper leadpipe, if it was replaced it must have been a long time ago as it looks original.
Ray Z
If you don't know where you are going it doesn't matter how you get there !!!!!!!!
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@Kehaulani said in Newby - Need help identifying a Conn Trumpet:
@Tobylou8 said in Newby - Need help identifying a Conn Trumpet:
I am not aware of any Conn trumpet or cornet from that era having a copper leadpipe. There were some copper casings on the 24B and 25B Opera Grand model but Coprion didn't make it's way to the lineup until the late '30s. I'm a sucker for copper and would love to see a picture or two or three!!! It could be someone switched it to copper to darken the tone a bit.
Here's a link to the Conn Loyalist website. It is the best resource for all things Conn that I've found. https://cderksen.home.xs4all.nl/ConnLooksTrumpet.htmlBelow are a 10B with copper lead pipe and bell, and a 6B late model with copper lead pipe only. These are the only vintage Conns with copper leadpipes that I'm aware of. PICS PICS PICS!!!!
That first horn looks like a 38B, except for the copper. Is it? And if so, what are the playing differences. Thanks.
6B, 8B, and 10B were all wide wrap "derivatives" of the 38B, 36B, and 28B. I wish Bochawa was here, he knows sooooo much more than I do on the Conn "tree".
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@MasterWannabe said in Newby - Need help identifying a Conn Trumpet:
@Shepherds_Crook Here is one that I hope shows the copper leadpipe, if it was replaced it must have been a long time ago as it looks original.
That's a beauty and I would be confused too. I does look like a 58B with a 6B/10B Coprion pipe!! Could be the pipe got red-rot and the opportunity was taken to make it work better decades later? ALL guessing on my part though. MORE pics if you can, thanks!!
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@Tobylou8 said in Newby - Need help identifying a Conn Trumpet:
@MasterWannabe said in Newby - Need help identifying a Conn Trumpet:
@Shepherds_Crook Here is one that I hope shows the copper leadpipe, if it was replaced it must have been a long time ago as it looks original.
That's a beauty and I would be confused too. I does look like a 58B with a 6B/10B Coprion pipe!! Could be the pipe got red-rot and the opportunity was taken to make it work better decades later? ALL guessing on my part though. MORE pics if you can, thanks!!
First, congrats on figuring out how to post a pic. I always used Flickr and then post the code in here with [img]code[/img] around the code because that is how you had to do it on other forums...
Anyway, I think TobyLou8 is on target. Pinky ring looks like too much solder under it to be stock ... I think someone added that copper receiver and then added or moved the pinky ring. Again, that is a guess. Cool looking horn with the reverse wrap of the 3rd slide and tuning slide - very cool little horn. How does it play?
