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    • administrator
      administrator Global Moderator last edited by administrator

      I am interested in knowing the differences between Olds models. I know there are several. If anybody on here is an expert please advise. Here are the models I can think of off the top of my head:

      Olds Ambassador
      Olds Mendez
      Olds Studio
      Olds Super
      Olds Superstar "Ultrasonic"
      Olds Recording
      Olds Super Recording

      Conn 2B
      Olds Super Recording
      Selmer Paris Radial Bb
      Selmer Paris Radial 75 C (owned by Frank Kaderabek)
      Bach 190 "Artisan" C
      Scherzer 8111 Piccolo
      Adams F1 Flugelhorn
      Getzen Capri Cornet
      Bill Pfund Bb Cornet
      Thein "MH One" Bb

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      • administrator
        administrator Global Moderator last edited by

        Specifically, if you can tell me the difference between "Recording" and "Super Recording" models. Thank you!

        Conn 2B
        Olds Super Recording
        Selmer Paris Radial Bb
        Selmer Paris Radial 75 C (owned by Frank Kaderabek)
        Bach 190 "Artisan" C
        Scherzer 8111 Piccolo
        Adams F1 Flugelhorn
        Getzen Capri Cornet
        Bill Pfund Bb Cornet
        Thein "MH One" Bb

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        • Kehaulani
          Kehaulani Credentialed Professional last edited by

          No Mendez?

          Benge 3X
          Martin Committee
          Getzen Capri Cornet
          Adams F-1 Flugelhorn

          "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn."
          Charlie Parker

          "Even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis, I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis."
          Chet Baker

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          • administrator
            administrator Global Moderator @Kehaulani last edited by

            @kehaulani said in Differences between Olds models:

            No Mendez?

            Added

            Conn 2B
            Olds Super Recording
            Selmer Paris Radial Bb
            Selmer Paris Radial 75 C (owned by Frank Kaderabek)
            Bach 190 "Artisan" C
            Scherzer 8111 Piccolo
            Adams F1 Flugelhorn
            Getzen Capri Cornet
            Bill Pfund Bb Cornet
            Thein "MH One" Bb

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            • GeorgeB
              GeorgeB @administrator last edited by

              @administrator

              I wish I could help but I really only know about the Recording model. Doc may know. I'm sure he'll reply if he can add something positive to the thread.
              George

              1960s King Super 20 Silversonic, 1940 Olds Recording, 1942 Buescher True Tone 400 ,1999 Conn Vintage One Bb trumpet, A 1952 Selmer Paris, A 2020 Getzen 400 and a Manchester Brass ACB custom pro Bb trumpet, a 1962 Conn Victor 5A Cornet.

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              • barliman2001
                barliman2001 Global Moderator @administrator last edited by

                @administrator Don't forget the Studio. One heck of a horn, very suitable as an allround horn (had one for many years, until I exchanged it for a Recording). Main difference? Recording is a "balanced" model, whereas the Studio has more conventional proportions but is abnormally long. The Studio needs more breath control; I was always on the watch-out. If you do that, it's almost unbeatable sound-wise. If you want a slightly more relaxed approach, the Recording is the better choice.

                ACB Doubler Picc
                Courtois Balanced
                Courtois D
                Olds Recording
                Buescher Aristocrat
                Gaudet C
                Selmer G
                Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
                Besson International Bb cornet
                Ganter Eb cornet
                Besson International baritone
                B&H Sovereign trombone
                Weltklang Euph

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                • administrator
                  administrator Global Moderator @barliman2001 last edited by

                  @barliman2001 said in Differences between Olds models:

                  @administrator Don't forget the Studio. One heck of a horn, very suitable as an allround horn (had one for many years, until I exchanged it for a Recording). Main difference? Recording is a "balanced" model, whereas the Studio has more conventional proportions but is abnormally long. The Studio needs more breath control; I was always on the watch-out. If you do that, it's almost unbeatable sound-wise. If you want a slightly more relaxed approach, the Recording is the better choice.

                  Good point. Added

                  Conn 2B
                  Olds Super Recording
                  Selmer Paris Radial Bb
                  Selmer Paris Radial 75 C (owned by Frank Kaderabek)
                  Bach 190 "Artisan" C
                  Scherzer 8111 Piccolo
                  Adams F1 Flugelhorn
                  Getzen Capri Cornet
                  Bill Pfund Bb Cornet
                  Thein "MH One" Bb

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                  • J. Jericho
                    J. Jericho @administrator last edited by J. Jericho

                    @administrator said in Differences between Olds models:

                    I am interested in knowing the differences between Olds models. I know there are several. If anybody on here is an expert please advise. Here are the models I can think of off the top of my head:

                    Olds Ambassador
                    Olds Mendez
                    Olds Studio
                    Olds Super
                    Olds Superstar "Ultrasonic"
                    Olds Recording
                    Olds Super Recording

                    Here's an updated version of a post I made about a year ago:

                    Here are my estimations (not pontifications) of Olds trumpets:

                    Ambassador - Some are competent; many more are crappy.

                    Pinto - An odd, ultimately unsuccessful experiment in unconventional design.

                    Special - Underrated; slightly bright sound. Because of its price bracket and pre-tritone marketing when new, it was presumed to be one step up from a basic trumpet. In reality this was a mighty big step.

                    Studio - A magic trumpet for some, it produces a unique lyrical sound. If your sound is bright, it will project brightness; if your sound is dark, it will project darkness. As with the Special, players have been discovering its virtues for several years now, driving prices up. The later nickel-silver plated Studio is acknowledged to have been change for the sake of change. Not considered an improvement. Quite the opposite, although some players are happy with theirs.

                    Super - Most owners will not sell theirs for any amount of money, period. A good, generic sound. Unfortunately, some have serious intonation problems.

                    Recording - A legendary trumpet for many. An odd ergonomic setup that works well for some players. Flexible and versatile; there are few other trumpets that play better, but they do exist.

                    Opera - If you can play a cavernous mouthpiece, you will overcome its bright timbre and produce an awesome, gorgeous, incomparable sound.

                    Mendez - Speaking of bright-sounding trumpets, the Mendez also has a unique timbre, putting it in the same category as the Olds Studio, Olds Opera, and Conn Connstellation in the sense that these four horns have a sound specific to each model; they do not necessarily sound like one another. FWIW - the Mendez and the Connstellation were both manufactured in long cornet versions, too, which have the appearance of their trumpet counterparts and have a distinct, cornet sound.

                    Super Recording - The Holy Grail for aficionados with a willingness to spend the money it takes to acquire one. YMMV.

                    Olds deliberately designed each instrument they manufactured for eye appeal, and there is eye candy to be found in their entire lineup. The subtle benefit of this is that you want to take it out of the case often, which leads to more practice, which leads, hopefully, to more competence.

                    Also, when Sonic is used in conjunction with an Olds model, it refers to the method of bell production, not any specific sound or playing characteristic, although it could be argued that marketing at the time was designed to mislead potential buyers into thinking that it did.

                    '62 Olds Studio Trumpet
                    '72 Olds Special Trumpet
                    2013 Dillon Pocket Trumpet
                    '83 Yamaha YFH-731 Flugelhorn
                    1919 York Perfec-Tone Cornet
                    '50 Olds Studio Trombone
                    Shofar

                    "If it was just up to me, I'd only have trumpet players on my show." - Jackie Gleason

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                    • barliman2001
                      barliman2001 Global Moderator @J. Jericho last edited by

                      @j-jericho Can only concur with your description. Could not have done better myself (probably would have done far worse!).

                      ACB Doubler Picc
                      Courtois Balanced
                      Courtois D
                      Olds Recording
                      Buescher Aristocrat
                      Gaudet C
                      Selmer G
                      Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
                      Besson International Bb cornet
                      Ganter Eb cornet
                      Besson International baritone
                      B&H Sovereign trombone
                      Weltklang Euph

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                      • Dr GO
                        Dr GO @administrator last edited by

                        @administrator said in Differences between Olds models:

                        Specifically, if you can tell me the difference between "Recording" and "Super Recording" models. Thank you!

                        These are very different 🎺 trumpets from one another. The Super Recording is light, has a lot of vibratory action that makes it brighter and more accurate for slotting over the Recording. It is much easier and kinder on endurance when playing in the high range.

                        The Recording is darker and heavier and plays with more resistance over the Super Recording. It is less forgiving and challenges more with slotting. Actually it is more of a slotting challenge than the Ambassador. But it is versatile, more so than the others and toggles flawlessly between a classical or jazz venue, as the performer, when learning to master this instrument can deliver a crisp classical run but to also pump out a dark, flowing ballad. For that last function, I prefer the Recording over the Super Recording.

                        Allora Pocket Trumpet 2014
                        Harrelson Summit 2017
                        Kanstul 1526 2012
                        Getzen Power Bore 1961
                        Getzen Eterna 4-Valve Fulgelhorn 1974
                        Martin Committee 1946
                        Olds Super Recording 1940
                        Olds Recording (LA) 1953
                        Olds Recording (Fullerton) 1967
                        Olds Ambassador 1965

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                        • GeorgeB
                          GeorgeB @J. Jericho last edited by

                          @j-jericho

                          You obviously know your OLDS. Thanks for that assessment.

                          George

                          1960s King Super 20 Silversonic, 1940 Olds Recording, 1942 Buescher True Tone 400 ,1999 Conn Vintage One Bb trumpet, A 1952 Selmer Paris, A 2020 Getzen 400 and a Manchester Brass ACB custom pro Bb trumpet, a 1962 Conn Victor 5A Cornet.

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                          • GeorgeB
                            GeorgeB @Dr GO last edited by GeorgeB

                            @dr-go

                            Great, Doc. All that was good to know. I had a chance to buy a Super but felt it was overpriced and chose the Recording instead. Absolutely no regrets. Somedays I have a hard time putting the Recording away for the day. I just want to keep on playing.
                            George

                            1960s King Super 20 Silversonic, 1940 Olds Recording, 1942 Buescher True Tone 400 ,1999 Conn Vintage One Bb trumpet, A 1952 Selmer Paris, A 2020 Getzen 400 and a Manchester Brass ACB custom pro Bb trumpet, a 1962 Conn Victor 5A Cornet.

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