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    To Reduce Covid-19 Risks in Orchestras, Move Wind Instruments to the Sidelines

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    • SSmith1226
      SSmith1226 last edited by

      According to an article published in the Smithsonian Magazine, “ To stop microbe-carrying droplets from spreading in an orchestra, turn the seating arrangement inside out. According to research published on June 23 in the journal Science Advances, orchestras should move percussion to center stage, move clarinets and trombones to the back, and most importantly, put the trumpets in the corners. “

      The full article can be found at:

      https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/reduce-covid-19-risks-orchestras-move-wind-instruments-sidelines-180978069/

      Steve Smith

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      • J. Jericho
        J. Jericho Global Moderator last edited by

        Interesting exercise. With the researchers leaving out some important factors, their work reveals other, more basic, factors of importance. It would be valuable to acquire the missing data to compare with their hypothetical constructs, not an easy task.

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        • Rapier232
          Rapier232 last edited by Rapier232

          Which goes against what the research in the UK shows. Brass and woodwind emit fewer than speaking does.

          Nearly as good as I need to be. Not nearly as good as I want to be).

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          • SSmith1226
            SSmith1226 @Rapier232 last edited by SSmith1226

            @rapier232 said in To Reduce Covid-19 Risks in Orchestras, Move Wind Instruments to the Sidelines:

            Which goes against what the research in the UK shows. Brass and woodwind emit fewer than speaking does.

            Unfortunately, when it comes to COVID-19, there is a lot of contradictory information and conclusions that change day to day. For example, we see this in medical studies, as well as advice given by our medical experts and advisors. Day to day we see contradictions, premature release, or “spinning” by the press, authors or spokes persons for their own self interest reasons.

            As an example relevant to this discussion, a University of Minnesota research team, working with the Minnesota Orchestra concluded, “ Led by Department of Mechanical Engineering Associate Professor Jiarong Hong, the research team also studied the number of aerosols emitted by different instruments, as well as how aerosol concentration varies depending on articulation and slurring patterns, intensity of play, and use of special techniques. For example, trumpet was the highest risk instrument, producing significantly more aerosols than a person would by breathing or speaking.” They went on to say that these aerosols do not travel very far.

            The study from Bristol University (UK), using Alison Balsom as one of their test subjects showed, “ A new COVID-19 study from the University of Bristol has found aerosols generated by playing woodwind and brass instruments are less than those produced when speaking and singing.”

            Will the study I posted starting this thread be accepted 10 ( or for that matter 500) years from now and be proven as correct? I do not know. Is it a harmful concept to be applied in their studied Utah concert hall? Very unlikely. I posted this as an interesting concept in an orchestra (vs concert wind band) that might be interesting to some readers.

            I agree that there is much contradictory information “out there” and there are no definitive answers. All we can do is put on our “plague masks” and do the best we can do with the information available to us today.

            https://twin-cities.umn.edu/news-events/musical-instruments-dont-spread-aerosols-far-you-might-think

            https://www.classicfm.com/artists/alison-balsom/covid-19-study-brass-woodwind-droplets/

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            Steve Smith

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            • Dr GO
              Dr GO @Rapier232 last edited by

              @rapier232 said in To Reduce Covid-19 Risks in Orchestras, Move Wind Instruments to the Sidelines:

              Which goes against what the research in the UK shows. Brass and woodwind emit fewer than speaking does.

              This is my understanding in reading the science as well.

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              • administrator
                administrator Global Moderator last edited by

                Sounds like they really just want to "marginalize" the trumpet players!!

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                • Dale Proctor
                  Dale Proctor last edited by

                  The prescription for covid safety and a good performance go hand in hand where I’m concerned. The farther away I am, the better I sound...lol

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                  • J. Jericho
                    J. Jericho Global Moderator @SSmith1226 last edited by

                    @ssmith1226 Interesting images. I found these:

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                    • Newell Post
                      Newell Post last edited by

                      https://www.classicfm.com/artists/alison-balsom/covid-19-study-brass-woodwind-droplets/

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