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Wow! Thanks to all that have been contributing. Here is the list (Currently consists of 14) of what appears to be confirmed Trumpets Made (Assembled) ONLY by Their Maker (in alphabetical order)

Blackburn
Davidson
Del Quadro
Corrigan
Divitt
Eclipse
Harrelson
Landress
Monette
Puje Trumpets
Schlub
Scodwell
Taylor
Warburton

Individuals posting their own personal experience with any of these horns would be especially helpful to understand the uniqueness and quality these innovative craftsman offer in their horns that may give them a competitive edge over the high end production horns made by Conn, Yamaha, Getzen, etc.

@Kehaulani said in Jazz Trumpet Family Tree - Find Your Branch:

@Dr GO - are you sure of your remembrance of Maynard saying he's influenced by Doc? I don't hear it. Maynard's (earlier) improvisations were, IMO, much more sophisticated than Doc's; more, maybe to Brownie's.

(Of course, you can be influenced by someone and sound like someone else. I was really influenced on alto by Art Pepper but, on listening to a jazz recording, I sounded more like late Sonny Red, LOL.)

Pretty sure. It was a Maynard interview. I will try to find it again, and then post it if found.

FAMILY TREE UPDATE

New updates highlighted in yellow:

@Kehaulani said in Jazz Trumpet Family Tree - Find Your Branch:

He makes no mention as to why Maynard or Doc Severinsen was omitted.

Although both have multitudes of admirers, could it be that McNeil doesn't find actual schools of influence from them?

It may be that he considers the lead players in the "other" category that stems off of Dizzy (albeit he does list John Faddis separately). I looked all over for interviews with Doc as to his influences. I can only find reference to his father. I did find through this search that Maynard Ferguson listed Doc as his major influence so I would add Doc to come off of Dizzy, and Maynard off of Doc. HOWEVER if someone else can find (or has spoken to Doc) that knows of his major influence, please update and I will make the changes. In my search, clearly, Arturo was influenced by Dizzy as well. And I do find it interesting that Claudio Roditi was listed but not Arturo, who both grew together as musicians within Dizzy's big band. Interesting.

See updated tree to follow.

@Tobylou8 said in Jazz Trumpet Family Tree - Find Your Branch:

Where does Cindy Bradley land in this tree? She does play a great horn!!

From an interview on the Harrelson site, Ms Bradly was asked:

Who are some of your musical influences?

I love hard bop trumpet players and have studied their playing quite extensively. Freddie Hubbard, Clifford Brown, Blue Mitchell, and especially Lee Morgan. They have had the biggest influence on my trumpet playing. I’ve always been a huge Oscar Peterson fan as well.

So I would place her under Lee Morgan.

@trickg said in Jazz Trumpet Family Tree - Find Your Branch:

Where's Louis Armstrong? Bix Beiderbecke?

Update. McNeil actually addressed this in his paragraph introducing the draft. He noted that this chart reflects post war reference so leaves out those that preceded performers that became influential post 1946. He makes no mention as to why Maynard or Doc Severinsen was omitted.

@Kujo20 said in Trumpets Made ONLY by Their Maker:

I was under the impression that Flip Oakes designed his horns, but Kanstul did the building... someone correct me if I’m wrong.

Obviously that may be changing if Kanstul doesn’t come back.

Kujo, I believe you are right. On reading his site he states his production is on hold but that he had plenty of inventory in stock and appears there is some arrangements in future production. This is what his website actually states:

*Many of our friends have been asking what the cessation of new orders at Kanstul Musical Instruments will mean for Flip Oakes Wild Thing Trumpets.

We want to assure you that it is our plan to continue to provide the highest quality trumpets, cornets and flugelhorns to the community of players who have enjoyed playing the Wild Thing Trumpet and our other instruments over the years.

We currently have instruments in our inventory, and are exploring all options for a successful transition amid changes in the industry.

We also have a plan to expand our line with a new series of trumpets — so stay tuned!

Thanks as always for your support, and please feel free to contact Flip with any questions at flip@flipoakes.com.*

@Tobylou8 said in Kanstul -- Any News?:

Tubas are gone for sure.

Tubas or not Tubas, That is the question!

@Bay-Area-Brass said in Jazz Trumpet Family Tree - Find Your Branch:

I would add that Eddie Henderson also had a whole lot of Miles in his playing, and Donald Byrd in the late '60's/early 70's had some Miles too-in particularly when he used an echoplex. Pretty good list though-I think it's generally assumed that Louis Armstrong is at the top influencing everyone.

I agree, Eddie Henderson is on the tree and comes off the Freddie Hubbard branch. I love Eddie Henderson's playing and his versatility. If he had not been added already, I would have had a hard time placing him due to his fusion influence. And then I heard a more recent recording he did as a tribute to Woody Shaw, and until I heard it was Eddie recording a Woody tribute, I would have bet you anything it was Woody playing. Until then, I did not think it was possible for anyone to have that amazing sound of Woody Shaw. Then there is Eddie's own sound that comes out strong on Kenny Barron's Spirit Song Album:

Also known in the Jazz world as "doc", Eddie has an MD, and initially did a residency in internal medicine only to realize his calling was psychiatry. He practiced as a psychiatrist for a bit before focusing nearly entirely on music performance. Would love to have him to contribute to our Medical Concerns section on this Website. Actually, I would LOVE to do a music and medicine session with him at the medical schools I am affiliated with!

And I think it goes without saying, Louis is at the top looking down and smiling at all of his creation.

By the way Bill, I would like to add you to that tree. At which branch shall I place you?

Terry Warburton that got his start making mouthpieces now makes amazing trumpets, and is the exclusive craftsman that assembles these. One of my favorite trumpet players, Pete Rodriguez has the most amazing sound on his horns:

As you can also tell from this video, he has an amazing vocal talent as well.

Back to Warburton, his price ranges are definitely one of the more afordable trumpets within this category.

@J-Jericho said in Trumpets Made ONLY by Their Maker:

Would Jaeger, Flip Oakes, and/or Da Carbo include Lawler, since Roy is just doing trombones now.

I believe Flip Oakes would be included. I think Ivan contracts to have his horns made by another production staff. However, if he joins us our any one may know differently, they can verify.

@Kujo20 said in Trumpets Made ONLY by Their Maker:

What do we consider as “only made by their maker”?

Or does it mean only one pair of hands assembles/builds the horn (using either bought or self fabricated parts)? If this, there are plenty of examples in the US besides the two you mentioned.

Yes Kujo. This is what I meant in starting the thread, so to that end, please do list the other examples you may know. That would be very helpful in expanding the discussion.

@J-Jericho said in BrassReview.com is Missed:

I'm not the only TB member who had posted reviews on BR. I'd be willing to contribute to this category here.

I too am on board. I have contributed to BR in the past as well. I will contribute to any new site as well.

My own personal perspective in finding out about, then ordering my Harrelson Summit:

I was first introduced to the Harrelson brand by a visiting Harrelson representative that was in my area and arranged for a demonstration with a local professional artist. I attended this meeting, played a variety of Harrelson horns, and came to enjoy the Summit model. That professional came to a rehearsal (and gig) to let me try out the horn I liked. When I contacted Harrelson (the company) to order the horn, I was told I was to get a call back from Jason (the owner) to get specifics about the order. That response really floored me as in all the years I purchased new horns on my own (Kanstul, Getzen, Allora, Olds back in the day) the manufacturer or their representative never called me back to get personal input.

I almost immediately received a call from Jason Harrelson who interviewed me as to the horns I have played in the past, what I liked or didn't like about the horns. He asked me what I wanted and how I intended to use the horn I was ordering from him. After giving him this valuable information regarding my performance preferences, styles, venues and specific intended use for this horn, he then went over many options as to the leadpipe and bell varieties he offered AND THERE WERE A LOT. This would have otherwise been intimidating, if it were not for the fact that I had already played a variety of his horns AND he was very good at explaining the performance response between the leadpipe and bell designs. He also has a graph with the options and plots out the performance characteristics for those customers that want to see a real time graphic comparison of size vs response characteristics. And that is when I was sold and placed my order.

So my fist specific question to all other Harrelson purchasers' was this your experience as well?
For individuals reading this thread that purchased Monette (or other personalized brands), was your experience similar?

I started this thread with the hopes that the input of the owners of such horns may be helpful for those considering such horns to weight the pros and cons that would help individuals to decide whether or not to purchase these horns.

I can Identify two as an example that fall into this category made in the USA, Monette and Harrelson. If members can identify any more, please add to the list and the discussion. Looking forward to a lot of helpful input.

First, let me start of with generalizations as to this class of horn:

Pros:
Lots of options and input into choosing the horn desired
AND as a result, the owner will have very responsive horn to the player's personal needs

Cons:
They are very expensive
There will be a long waiting time relative to horns produced by a team of technicians

I am reproducing the Jazz Trumpet Family Tree that is published in John McNeil's The Art of Jazz Trumpet:

I edited it by entering my name and one of our other member's names Kenaulani highlighted in yellow. Do add your name to the discussion by responding to this thread as to which branch you are swinging on.

I am hoping that Sheperds_Crook (Cyber_Shake on TM) doesn't mind; but I am posting an excellent video he made that shows the whole 5MM enchilada so to speak. This video starts from opening up the original shipment, that demonstrates all the accessories (storage box, tools and lubricant); then displays the pieces within the box; how Blaine varies the optional pieces with the body and the effect this has on the sound from his Adams Trumpet.

@Three-Sevens said in No real gains on anything more than 40-45 minutes of practice.:

71 degrees, Sunny in this part of the South! This is my good day ride:

AND mine (good day ride) as well as my "other" car is a Jeep Wrangler, looking exactly like yours, only in Kermit the Frog-Green: