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I've got a 22B now...no wait, it's a 2B. They are rarer than 22B, correct? Anyway, $100 is a decent deal. I'm sure I could flip it and make a profit.

Conn trumpet Serial #256037 OBO http://www.ksl.com/classifieds/listing/59490078

Alright it's all got out of hand. I'm shutting this down.

This reminds me of books my old mentor, Bill Pfund, used to write.

Well, I like to see myself as the "benevolent dictator" here...but, it is my website after all!

These are nice, thanks for the tunes!

It's fine, I'll keep this thread open and let people talk. I, personally, had found the answers I needed and was not super happy with the direction of the other thread. I check this site maybe twice a day, so I can't really "police" it, even if it appears that I do.

@Kehaulani said in Please Help Me Understand Something (Pt 2):

Isn't it that the thread had run it's course?

This, and the thread was starting to get contentious and discussing sexual content which wasn't my purpose.

Ok. Thanks for the responses. I'm done with this thread.

I like creative stuff like this. Is that a wooden mouthpiece I see?

Hope things are going well. Best of luck.

@Dr-GO said in Please help me to understand something...:

@administrator said in Please help me to understand something...:

So...is the New York Philharmonic not a private organization?

Getting back on track, mine and my colleague's organization was (just like NYP) a private organization. We BOTH had no due process. We both hired our own legal council, at great expense, to take the process to the next level, to civil court. I know this process well and I know the pain that the other side inflicts on we the plaintiffs. (Refer to my above description of my colleague for being falsely presented to the court as a hideous sex offender).

So we do not know the facts of the 2 defendants the original OP brought to this thread. The NYP presented them as sexual perpetrators, and their members believe this. HOWEVER the fact remains, these plaintiffs were reinstated through the work of a THIRD PARTY arbitrator working with another THIRD PARTY magistrate of the court that has now told the world they are a quality of persons that can return to the original work force.

People, let's not question what we do not know, but rather let us credit a system the works for people that have been miss-characterized by their workplace, OK. I have been there. I have seen this first hand. This is painful. Yes, my colleague and myself walked away from our experience as much wealthier from our win, but in the end, those scares still linger. The only ones involved not scared by the process are the legal firms representing us that receive 1/3'd of the spoils... and my Federal Government that has so far received $221,000 from my portion of taxes I paid toward my "win" from the settlement.

Yes, this kind of stuff can really ruin one's reputation. Reputation is a fickle thing to begin with. Social media makes things worse because people have a tendency to jump on the bandwagon, and we see moral panics on almost a daily basis. I wonder if people even remember what/who they were condemning a month ago?

So...is the New York Philharmonic not a private organization?

@Dr-GO said in Please help me to understand something...:

@Dr-Mark said in Please help me to understand something...:

@flugelgirl said in Please help me to understand something...:
... For all we know, principal oboist, Liang Wang, and associate principal trumpet, Matthew Muckey are a couple.

Moral of the this story... just don't duet on company time.

Please refrain from speculating about "what happened." The point of the thread was to help me understand legal/labor disputes in this industry. I thought the two players were fired for good, so this came as a surprise to me.

@Dr-Mark said in Please help me to understand something...:

@administrator said in Please help me to understand something...:

Here's how I view it:
My industry is large, growing and competitive. A qualified individual can find a high-paying job relatively simply.

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Why would I hire you when you're 52 and set in your ways when I can hire a fresh to the workforce college graduate with a Master's who's more than willing to work at a starting salary and won't be telling me "we did it this way where I use to work"?

An individual is responsible for his/her self-reliance. A 6-month emergency is highly recommended for anybody.

For a symphony player? you gotta be kidding. NYP makes around $146,000. Many symphonies are either broke, or very broke. Many have closed and use piped music. In addition, what happens to the worker at WalMart? There's a large part of the citizenry called "the working poor" and to expect them to have a six month cushion just doesn't add up. That's as unlikely as Trump knowing how to calculate APR by hand. Yes the economy is doing better but people are having to work two or three jobs and that's most often without benefits.
If you're talking about having at least 6 months of cash tucked away in case of an emergency, you'd do well to double it. In addition, what do you do when the six months are over? COBRA benefits? Move back in with the parents? Sell your car for a cheaper car? Live out of your car?A lot of what you're saying isn't based in economic reality. It's all about the "readies" "the where with alls" "Moola" "cash" and unless you were born with a huge silver spoon in your mouth, you will be subject to the whims of greed and opportunity. If all men were virtuous, we wouldn't need courts.

Although I can be fired for any (legal) reason, I can also quit for any reason. I can also find another job fairly quickly.

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Careful what you advocate. That statement depends on at least a couple of variables;
Why you got fired.
There are many physicians (one of the most noble jobs out there) that have made serious mistakes (and whether intentional or by design) end up as a biology teacher at some high school.

Who fired you;
If you piss off the likes of a David Geffen, he will use his resources to bury you. When's the last time you heard a Laura Nero CD or even heard the name? Yep, she pissed him off and the rest is history.
I'm well aware of the concept that "the market will take care of itself. The thing they don't tell you in undergraduate micro/macro economics is that "the market taking care of itself" can and often is the catalyst for revolution if there isn't an intermediary.

That's true; in some industries, you make enemies with the wrong person and your career is over.
But I also believe that one can learn new skills and be creative.

Here's how I view it:

1. My industry is large, growing and competitive. A qualified individual can find a high-paying job relatively simply.
2. An individual is responsible for his/her self-reliance. A 6-month emergency is highly recommended for anybody.
3. Although I can be fired for any (legal) reason, I can also quit for any reason. I can also find another job fairly quickly.

The industry is competitive and sometimes unfair, but the risk comes with reward. By the way, I work for small companies. I have no interest in the large-corporate thing.

Wow, what a mess! I have a few thoughts about this

1. The rights of every individual need to be balanced. Our legal system provides that every person is "innocent" until proven guilty. I agree that, culturally, sometimes the opposite occurs. However, sexual abuse seems to be rampant to begin with, another big problem.
2. We really need to strive to be "beyond reproach" in our professional lives. I would have a difficult time even flirting with someone I work with (I am single, at the moment). You cannot be too cautious in this world of ours.
3. If I had gotten embroiled in this mess, and knew that I was innocent, I would quit, leave the state, find a farm in the country and want nothing to do with my former employer and life. But that's just me...
4. I am NOT advocating that sexual misconduct of any kind is acceptable, please do not read that.

Scholarships would only reduce the costs, but I doubt it could ever become "affordable" for the average Joe/Jill.
That being said, I had a buddy who got a full-ride to Curtis, and another who got a 3/4 scholarship to Juilliard. Even though they had to pay for housing, that's a pretty cool thing to get into.

Wow, those are some knockout players right there.

Ok, so recently, on TH, there was a thread about a trumpet player in the NYP who was fired two years back for "misconduct", only to be re-instated after an arbitrator cleared him. Here's the thread -- it's now since been locked.

https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1592590#1592590

Here's what I don't understand:
A) If the orchestra decided he was guilty of some sort of misconduct, why did they not pursue legal charges, or at least litigation?
Is New York not an "at-will" state? Forgive me for misunderstanding, but in my industry and state, you may be fired or quit for any reason without notice. It sounds bad, but it actually makes the environment competitive, with salaries to match.
C) Now that the orchestra is being "required" to reinstate the player, can they continue to pursue the issue? I know the U.S. Constitution protects against double-jeopardy, but this is clearly not a criminal case, so I doubt very much that that clause applies here.

Again, I'm trying to understand, so no hard feelings or angry replies, please. I come from a different background than many of you. My parents are educated, politically conservative and work in non-unionized industries, and I have followed suit in many respects; for better or worse, this is clearly a labor dispute that I do not fully understand.

Edit: if the above page is gone, refer to it here: https://web.archive.org/save/https://www.trumpetherald.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1592590