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    • Dale Proctor
      Dale Proctor last edited by

      I ran across this old picture from the 1980s of a German band I played in from time to time. We were playing for members of the Von Braun rocket team, their families, and friends at a picnic on top of a mountain in Huntsville, Alabama. I still have the flugelhorn, an Olds L-12, and the suspenders...lol

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      1977 Bach Strad ML 43 trumpet
      1960 Conn 6B Victor trumpet
      1982 Bach Strad ML 239 C trumpet
      1970 Olds Ambassador Eb/D trumpet
      1993 Bach Strad L 184G cornet
      1962 Conn 9A Victor cornet
      1890 Besson A/Bb/C cornet
      1870? Henry Lehnert SARV cornet

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      • oldpete
        oldpete @Dale Proctor last edited by

        @Dale-Proctor That's a cool pic!!

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        • Kehaulani
          Kehaulani Credentialed Professional last edited by

          Looks like a lot of fun.
          I wonder at what point Americans will acknowledge that there is a difference between Prussian music, Bohemian Music and Bavarian Music. Bavarian Music is not German Music. FWIW,

          Benge 3X
          Martin Committee
          Getzen Capri Cornet
          Adams F-1 Flugelhorn

          "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn."
          Charlie Parker

          "Even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis, I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis."
          Chet Baker

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          • GeorgeB
            GeorgeB last edited by

            You do get around, Dale.

            1960s King Super 20 Silversonic, 1940 Olds Recording, 1942 Buescher True Tone 400 ,1999 Conn Vintage One Bb trumpet, A 1952 Selmer Paris, A 2020 Getzen 400 and a Manchester Brass ACB custom pro Bb trumpet, a 1962 Conn Victor 5A Cornet.

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            • Dale Proctor
              Dale Proctor @Kehaulani last edited by

              @Kehaulani said in German Band:

              Looks like a lot of fun.
              I wonder at what point Americans will acknowledge that there is a difference between Prussian music, Bohemian Music and Bavarian Music. Bavarian Music is not German Music. FWIW,

              Well, it was a Bavarian band, then...😉

              1977 Bach Strad ML 43 trumpet
              1960 Conn 6B Victor trumpet
              1982 Bach Strad ML 239 C trumpet
              1970 Olds Ambassador Eb/D trumpet
              1993 Bach Strad L 184G cornet
              1962 Conn 9A Victor cornet
              1890 Besson A/Bb/C cornet
              1870? Henry Lehnert SARV cornet

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              • Dale Proctor
                Dale Proctor @GeorgeB last edited by

                @GeorgeB said in German Band:

                You do get around, Dale.

                George, I’ve been fortunate to have played in all sorts of different groups over the years - various big bands, a British-style brass band, a few concert bands, a Civil War brass band, a parlor/society band (early 20th century style), large church orchestra, brass quintet, the Bavarian band, a mariachi band (short lived), numerous weddings, a couple symphony orchestras, a Salvation Army band, and numerous pit orchestras for musicals. I don’t have the improv skills to play jazz, and have never played in a rock band or anything similar.

                The trick is to be well rounded in playing many different styles of music. That initially comes from listening to and studying a particular style you’re interested in playing, and then getting your feet wet in a group of that style. For example, with the mariachi band, I listened to a LOT of mariachi music on YouTube and practiced emulating that unique style of playing. The band didn’t survive long (the leader had a protracted illness shortly after our first gig, and the band fell apart), but I was beginning to get into it pretty well...lol

                1977 Bach Strad ML 43 trumpet
                1960 Conn 6B Victor trumpet
                1982 Bach Strad ML 239 C trumpet
                1970 Olds Ambassador Eb/D trumpet
                1993 Bach Strad L 184G cornet
                1962 Conn 9A Victor cornet
                1890 Besson A/Bb/C cornet
                1870? Henry Lehnert SARV cornet

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                • Pinstriper
                  Pinstriper last edited by

                  Do the suspenders still fit ?

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                  • GeorgeB
                    GeorgeB @Dale Proctor last edited by GeorgeB

                    @Dale-Proctor
                    Wow, that is some resume`.

                    I would have to say that you must be an exceptional sight reader in order to accomplish all you have. All the things you have done more than make up for not having the improv skills to play jazz. I would be quite content if I had your talent, my friend.

                    There are a couple of players I know and have played with who happen to be great sight readers and yet, like you, are not skilled in improv. But, man, put the notes on paper and they can play anything. I'm sure you could, too !

                    1960s King Super 20 Silversonic, 1940 Olds Recording, 1942 Buescher True Tone 400 ,1999 Conn Vintage One Bb trumpet, A 1952 Selmer Paris, A 2020 Getzen 400 and a Manchester Brass ACB custom pro Bb trumpet, a 1962 Conn Victor 5A Cornet.

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                    • Kehaulani
                      Kehaulani Credentialed Professional last edited by

                      This is off-topic, but for those who might benefit - the trick to sight-reading is to be reading ahead of what you're playing. It also helps to be able to know a compendium of most-used rhythmic patterns. You then see the rhythms ahead of time and match pitches to them when the time comes.

                      Know your scales. If you're in the key of Eb and see a run from D to D with an Eb, Ab and a Bb in it, don't think of it as D to D run concentrating on playing the chromatics, but just see it as one unit, that of a run from D to D in the key of Eb. Know your scales and how to read them.

                      Benge 3X
                      Martin Committee
                      Getzen Capri Cornet
                      Adams F-1 Flugelhorn

                      "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn."
                      Charlie Parker

                      "Even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis, I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis."
                      Chet Baker

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                      • GeorgeB
                        GeorgeB @Kehaulani last edited by

                        @Kehaulani
                        Some excellent advice there.

                        1960s King Super 20 Silversonic, 1940 Olds Recording, 1942 Buescher True Tone 400 ,1999 Conn Vintage One Bb trumpet, A 1952 Selmer Paris, A 2020 Getzen 400 and a Manchester Brass ACB custom pro Bb trumpet, a 1962 Conn Victor 5A Cornet.

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                        • Dr GO
                          Dr GO @Pinstriper last edited by

                          @Pinstriper said in German Band:

                          Do the suspenders still fit ?

                          No answer yet. Keeping us in suspense for sure.

                          Allora Pocket Trumpet 2014
                          Harrelson Summit 2017
                          Kanstul 1526 2012
                          Getzen Power Bore 1961
                          Getzen Eterna 4-Valve Fulgelhorn 1974
                          Martin Committee 1946
                          Olds Super Recording 1940
                          Olds Recording (LA) 1953
                          Olds Recording (Fullerton) 1967
                          Olds Ambassador 1965

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                          • Dale Proctor
                            Dale Proctor @Pinstriper last edited by Dale Proctor

                            @Pinstriper said in German Band:

                            Do the suspenders still fit ?

                            I’d guess they do. I weigh about 20 lbs. less now than I did in that picture...😁

                            1977 Bach Strad ML 43 trumpet
                            1960 Conn 6B Victor trumpet
                            1982 Bach Strad ML 239 C trumpet
                            1970 Olds Ambassador Eb/D trumpet
                            1993 Bach Strad L 184G cornet
                            1962 Conn 9A Victor cornet
                            1890 Besson A/Bb/C cornet
                            1870? Henry Lehnert SARV cornet

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                            • Dale Proctor
                              Dale Proctor @GeorgeB last edited by

                              @GeorgeB

                              Thanks, George. Yep, I’m a pretty good sight reader, and you nailed it - if it’s printed out, I can make a good stab at playing it, but music with nothing but chord changes written are beyond my ability. When a solo like that crops up, all I can do is some basic ornamentation of the main theme of the song. Playing by ear is a definite no-go, too. I suppose it has to do with all my past “legit” musical experience and never really being involved much with any kind of improv (and I don’t think my brain is wired correctly to do it, anyway). I’m just happy to do what I can and hopefully contribute to music making wherever I’m playing. It’s been an interesting ride so far...🙂

                              1977 Bach Strad ML 43 trumpet
                              1960 Conn 6B Victor trumpet
                              1982 Bach Strad ML 239 C trumpet
                              1970 Olds Ambassador Eb/D trumpet
                              1993 Bach Strad L 184G cornet
                              1962 Conn 9A Victor cornet
                              1890 Besson A/Bb/C cornet
                              1870? Henry Lehnert SARV cornet

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                              • GeorgeB
                                GeorgeB @Dale Proctor last edited by

                                @Dale-Proctor
                                " Basic ornamentation " of the melody has worked for me the 12 years I played in the 50s and 60s and anything I been doing since I started up again in 2016. In fact I don't care to listen to those jazz players who record a 7 or 8 minute rendition of Stella By Starlight where you may hear 40 or 50 seconds of the melody. I was always a huge fan of Bobby Hackett because you always knew the title of the song he was playing.

                                1960s King Super 20 Silversonic, 1940 Olds Recording, 1942 Buescher True Tone 400 ,1999 Conn Vintage One Bb trumpet, A 1952 Selmer Paris, A 2020 Getzen 400 and a Manchester Brass ACB custom pro Bb trumpet, a 1962 Conn Victor 5A Cornet.

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                                • Kehaulani
                                  Kehaulani Credentialed Professional last edited by Kehaulani

                                  So. I guess you don't enjoy the development section of a Beethoven String Quartet, LOL.

                                  Benge 3X
                                  Martin Committee
                                  Getzen Capri Cornet
                                  Adams F-1 Flugelhorn

                                  "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn."
                                  Charlie Parker

                                  "Even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis, I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis."
                                  Chet Baker

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                                  • Dale Proctor
                                    Dale Proctor last edited by

                                    I just found another photo of the Bavarian band that I haven’t seen in about 35 years. I’ll post it here for posterity. I see that I was also playing trumpet on some of the songs. I think that trumpet is the 1955 Mt. Vernon ML43 Strad that I sold about 20 years ago.
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                                    1977 Bach Strad ML 43 trumpet
                                    1960 Conn 6B Victor trumpet
                                    1982 Bach Strad ML 239 C trumpet
                                    1970 Olds Ambassador Eb/D trumpet
                                    1993 Bach Strad L 184G cornet
                                    1962 Conn 9A Victor cornet
                                    1890 Besson A/Bb/C cornet
                                    1870? Henry Lehnert SARV cornet

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                                    • administrator
                                      administrator Global Moderator last edited by

                                      That's very neat, thanks for sharing!

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