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      N1684T last edited by

      Got one coming, and looking forward to it.

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      • administrator
        administrator Global Moderator last edited by

        They are fun, but seriously they are "peashooters." Don't take it to your concert band rehearsal unless you want to be dismissed!

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          A Former User @administrator last edited by

          @administrator Who told you they were peashooters? The one I have doesn't look like a peashooter.

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            chelpres @Guest last edited by

            @Niner I wondered the same thing myself. I have a Liberty 2B and it ain't no Peashooter. Now my Buescher 230 on the other hand...
            Regards, Tom

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              N1684T last edited by

              I think the early ones were peashooters, not so for 60's version, which is what i have coming.

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                A Former User @N1684T last edited by

                @N1684T I don't think any Liberty model was ever a peashooter. If there was one I'd like to see a photo.

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                • OldSchoolEuph
                  OldSchoolEuph last edited by

                  There were 4 versions of King Liberty:
                  Original King Liberty - shown in Niner's pic.(came as both a HP/LP or the LP version later settled on)
                  King Liberty #2 - this is the one with the art deco brace
                  King Liberty 2B - Pretty standard looking trumpet with a single radius slide originally
                  King Liberty 3B - a larger bore version of the 2B with several other tweaks as well

                  None were peashooters. I would only use the first version in a modern setting today though, or maybe a Liberty #2 Silvertone in certain special applications.

                  HN White only made 2 real peashooters:
                  Cleveland Model 600 Greyhound
                  American Standard Student Prince

                  Pics, dates, bores, etc for all can be found in the White/King Model Guide at trumpet-history.com

                  http://www.trumpet-history.com/Early King Models.pdf

                  www.trumpet-history.com
                  A Timeline of Trumpets (Amazon)
                  2017 AustinWinds Stage466
                  1962 Mt.V Bach 43
                  1954 Holton 49
                  1927 Conn 22B NYS
                  1957 Holton 27 Stratodyne
                  1986 Yamaha YEP-621
                  1975 Yamaha YEP Custom
                  1965 Besson Baritone
                  1975 Olds Recording R-20

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                  • administrator
                    administrator Global Moderator last edited by

                    Hmm, well I owned one once and it was bright as an Italian morning. Maybe I'm a little biased, or my definition of peashooter is off.

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                      A Former User @administrator last edited by A Former User

                      @administrator I have a peashooter I play often that I really like. It's a Elkhart Band Instruments version. The early version. I keep it shined up accordingly. The later one was larger bore and nothing special. Probably you are confusing companies as well as models.

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                      • OldSchoolEuph
                        OldSchoolEuph @administrator last edited by

                        @administrator
                        That's unusual - perhaps someone had buffed half the bell thickness away? (leaks more highs back to your ears that way - often doesn't change the timbre out front all that much)

                        A classic peashooter is generally thought of as a trumpet with a very tight wrap, a small bore, and a length in the 21" to 23" range. Other examples would be horns such as the Holton Streamline, Conn 58B, and Martin Troubador

                        www.trumpet-history.com
                        A Timeline of Trumpets (Amazon)
                        2017 AustinWinds Stage466
                        1962 Mt.V Bach 43
                        1954 Holton 49
                        1927 Conn 22B NYS
                        1957 Holton 27 Stratodyne
                        1986 Yamaha YEP-621
                        1975 Yamaha YEP Custom
                        1965 Besson Baritone
                        1975 Olds Recording R-20

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                        • Dirk020
                          Dirk020 last edited by

                          I once had a peashooter, it was a Buesscher True Tone Custom

                          It played and sounded much like my late Vincent Bach 180-37 ML

                          ![alt text](BILD0760.JPG image url)

                          I sold her to a guy who couldn't believe she was M-bore haha!

                          Getzen, Conn, Melody Maker and -too- many Warburton pieces

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                          • Kehaulani
                            Kehaulani Credentialed Professional last edited by Kehaulani

                            I thought a Peashooter was, by definition, small-bored. Mine (Pan American) had a tight wrap with a small bore. Its sound was bright and compact.

                            Benge 3X
                            Martin Committee
                            Getzen Capri Cornet
                            Adams F-1 Flugelhorn

                            "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn."
                            Charlie Parker

                            "Even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis, I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis."
                            Chet Baker

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                            • administrator
                              administrator Global Moderator last edited by

                              Perhaps my definition of "peashooter" is more liberal than others'?

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                                N1684T last edited by

                                Just checked tracking. She will be here tomorrow!

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                                  mrhappy @OldSchoolEuph last edited by

                                  @OldSchoolEuph said in King Liberty:

                                  There were 4 versions of King Liberty:
                                  Original King Liberty - shown in Niner's pic.(came as both a HP/LP or the LP version later settled on)
                                  King Liberty #2 - this is the one with the art deco brace
                                  King Liberty 2B - Pretty standard looking trumpet with a single radius slide originally
                                  King Liberty 3B - a larger bore version of the 2B with several other tweaks as well

                                  Don't forget King Liberty #2.5 - With the brace that looks more like a 'Pi' sign... kind of a fat version of the #1 brace.

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                                  • OldSchoolEuph
                                    OldSchoolEuph @mrhappy last edited by

                                    @mrhappy said in King Liberty:

                                    @OldSchoolEuph said in King Liberty:

                                    There were 4 versions of King Liberty:
                                    Original King Liberty - shown in Niner's pic.(came as both a HP/LP or the LP version later settled on)
                                    King Liberty #2 - this is the one with the art deco brace
                                    King Liberty 2B - Pretty standard looking trumpet with a single radius slide originally
                                    King Liberty 3B - a larger bore version of the 2B with several other tweaks as well

                                    Don't forget King Liberty #2.5 - With the brace that looks more like a 'Pi' sign... kind of a fat version of the #1 brace.

                                    Well, if we get into design refreshes and options, there are half a dozen for the original plus the mini, then the #2 had two refreshes I can think of off hand plus a number of options, the 2B had at least 4 variations. Only the 3B seems to have been short lived enough to not change at all.

                                    www.trumpet-history.com
                                    A Timeline of Trumpets (Amazon)
                                    2017 AustinWinds Stage466
                                    1962 Mt.V Bach 43
                                    1954 Holton 49
                                    1927 Conn 22B NYS
                                    1957 Holton 27 Stratodyne
                                    1986 Yamaha YEP-621
                                    1975 Yamaha YEP Custom
                                    1965 Besson Baritone
                                    1975 Olds Recording R-20

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                                      A Former User last edited by A Former User

                                      The King Mini Liberty Trumpet was the most rare. Only a hundred were produced as rewards to various people ...probably dealers mostly. But..... apparently they worked like the real one...except for the sound. When this video starts off it sounds more like a clarinet.

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                                        Bob Pixley @Guest last edited by Bob Pixley

                                        @Niner said in King Liberty:

                                        The King Mini Liberty Trumpet was the most rare. Only a hundred were produced as rewards to various people ...probably dealers mostly. But..... apparently they worked like the real one...except for the sound. When this video starts off it sounds more like a clarinet.

                                        I saw one of those on display in a music store in St. Louis years ago. I did get to hold it, but didn't get to play it. It's basically a not-so-good Bb piccolo trumpet. Hey, I know Jeff Stockham, too. He's a fantastic trumpet, cornet, keyed bugle, and french horn player.

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                                          N1684T last edited by

                                          Its kind of between a standard trumpet and a pea shooter. Tighter wrap than normal. About a 69 model, looks good so far.

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                                          • OldSchoolEuph
                                            OldSchoolEuph @Bob Pixley last edited by

                                            @Bob-Pixley said in King Liberty:

                                            @Niner said in King Liberty:

                                            The King Mini Liberty Trumpet was the most rare. Only a hundred were produced as rewards to various people ...probably dealers mostly. But..... apparently they worked like the real one...except for the sound. When this video starts off it sounds more like a clarinet.

                                            I saw one of those on display in a music store in St. Louis years ago. I did get to hold it, but didn't get to play it. It's basically a not-so-good Bb piccolo trumpet. Hey, I know Jeff Stockham, too. He's a fantastic trumpet, cornet, keyed bugle, and french horn player.

                                            Its only a few seconds, but 28 seconds into this video you can here Jeff playing that mini in a classical style - actually a half-way decent picc sound I thought.

                                            www.trumpet-history.com
                                            A Timeline of Trumpets (Amazon)
                                            2017 AustinWinds Stage466
                                            1962 Mt.V Bach 43
                                            1954 Holton 49
                                            1927 Conn 22B NYS
                                            1957 Holton 27 Stratodyne
                                            1986 Yamaha YEP-621
                                            1975 Yamaha YEP Custom
                                            1965 Besson Baritone
                                            1975 Olds Recording R-20

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