King Liberty



  • Got one coming, and looking forward to it.


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    They are fun, but seriously they are "peashooters." Don't take it to your concert band rehearsal unless you want to be dismissed!



  • @administrator Who told you they were peashooters? The one I have doesn't look like a peashooter.

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  • @Niner I wondered the same thing myself. I have a Liberty 2B and it ain't no Peashooter. Now my Buescher 230 on the other hand...
    Regards, Tom



  • I think the early ones were peashooters, not so for 60's version, which is what i have coming.



  • @N1684T I don't think any Liberty model was ever a peashooter. If there was one I'd like to see a photo.



  • There were 4 versions of King Liberty:
    Original King Liberty - shown in Niner's pic.(came as both a HP/LP or the LP version later settled on)
    King Liberty #2 - this is the one with the art deco brace
    King Liberty 2B - Pretty standard looking trumpet with a single radius slide originally
    King Liberty 3B - a larger bore version of the 2B with several other tweaks as well

    None were peashooters. I would only use the first version in a modern setting today though, or maybe a Liberty #2 Silvertone in certain special applications.

    HN White only made 2 real peashooters:
    Cleveland Model 600 Greyhound
    American Standard Student Prince

    Pics, dates, bores, etc for all can be found in the White/King Model Guide at trumpet-history.com

    http://www.trumpet-history.com/Early King Models.pdf


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    Hmm, well I owned one once and it was bright as an Italian morning. Maybe I'm a little biased, or my definition of peashooter is off.



  • @administrator I have a peashooter I play often that I really like. It's a Elkhart Band Instruments version. The early version. I keep it shined up accordingly. The later one was larger bore and nothing special. Probably you are confusing companies as well as models.

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  • @administrator
    That's unusual - perhaps someone had buffed half the bell thickness away? (leaks more highs back to your ears that way - often doesn't change the timbre out front all that much)

    A classic peashooter is generally thought of as a trumpet with a very tight wrap, a small bore, and a length in the 21" to 23" range. Other examples would be horns such as the Holton Streamline, Conn 58B, and Martin Troubador



  • I once had a peashooter, it was a Buesscher True Tone Custom

    It played and sounded much like my late Vincent Bach 180-37 ML

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    I sold her to a guy who couldn't believe she was M-bore haha!



  • I thought a Peashooter was, by definition, small-bored. Mine (Pan American) had a tight wrap with a small bore. Its sound was bright and compact.


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    Perhaps my definition of "peashooter" is more liberal than others'?



  • Just checked tracking. She will be here tomorrow!



  • @OldSchoolEuph said in King Liberty:

    There were 4 versions of King Liberty:
    Original King Liberty - shown in Niner's pic.(came as both a HP/LP or the LP version later settled on)
    King Liberty #2 - this is the one with the art deco brace
    King Liberty 2B - Pretty standard looking trumpet with a single radius slide originally
    King Liberty 3B - a larger bore version of the 2B with several other tweaks as well

    Don't forget King Liberty #2.5 - With the brace that looks more like a 'Pi' sign... kind of a fat version of the #1 brace.



  • @mrhappy said in King Liberty:

    @OldSchoolEuph said in King Liberty:

    There were 4 versions of King Liberty:
    Original King Liberty - shown in Niner's pic.(came as both a HP/LP or the LP version later settled on)
    King Liberty #2 - this is the one with the art deco brace
    King Liberty 2B - Pretty standard looking trumpet with a single radius slide originally
    King Liberty 3B - a larger bore version of the 2B with several other tweaks as well

    Don't forget King Liberty #2.5 - With the brace that looks more like a 'Pi' sign... kind of a fat version of the #1 brace.

    Well, if we get into design refreshes and options, there are half a dozen for the original plus the mini, then the #2 had two refreshes I can think of off hand plus a number of options, the 2B had at least 4 variations. Only the 3B seems to have been short lived enough to not change at all.



  • The King Mini Liberty Trumpet was the most rare. Only a hundred were produced as rewards to various people ...probably dealers mostly. But..... apparently they worked like the real one...except for the sound. When this video starts off it sounds more like a clarinet.



  • @Niner said in King Liberty:

    The King Mini Liberty Trumpet was the most rare. Only a hundred were produced as rewards to various people ...probably dealers mostly. But..... apparently they worked like the real one...except for the sound. When this video starts off it sounds more like a clarinet.

    I saw one of those on display in a music store in St. Louis years ago. I did get to hold it, but didn't get to play it. It's basically a not-so-good Bb piccolo trumpet. Hey, I know Jeff Stockham, too. He's a fantastic trumpet, cornet, keyed bugle, and french horn player.



  • Its kind of between a standard trumpet and a pea shooter. Tighter wrap than normal. About a 69 model, looks good so far.



  • @Bob-Pixley said in King Liberty:

    @Niner said in King Liberty:

    The King Mini Liberty Trumpet was the most rare. Only a hundred were produced as rewards to various people ...probably dealers mostly. But..... apparently they worked like the real one...except for the sound. When this video starts off it sounds more like a clarinet.

    I saw one of those on display in a music store in St. Louis years ago. I did get to hold it, but didn't get to play it. It's basically a not-so-good Bb piccolo trumpet. Hey, I know Jeff Stockham, too. He's a fantastic trumpet, cornet, keyed bugle, and french horn player.

    Its only a few seconds, but 28 seconds into this video you can here Jeff playing that mini in a classical style - actually a half-way decent picc sound I thought.


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