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    • tptguy
      tptguy last edited by

      I would like comments regarding this trumpet bought as a Bach Strad. by a buddy of mine.
      Although, slides caps, pistons interchange and work as they should with a "real" *37 lightweight.. Some aspects are disturbing
      -Bell script says had crafted in the USA
      -Script is rather shalow
      -Serial number starts with 3 zeros ( 000..
      -3rd. slide stop is Bach Commercial Bb style(like Yamaha)
      -Water key and screw corners feel rounder, not as sharp
      -Pull knobs are rounder
      -Detail on slide tubes is different(grooved end)
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      Thank you to all
      G.

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      • J. Jericho
        J. Jericho Global Moderator last edited by

        I agree that it looks suspicious at best.

        '62 Olds Studio Trumpet
        '67 Olds Special Trumpet
        2013 Dillon Pocket Trumpet
        '83 Yamaha YFH-731 Flugelhorn
        1919 York Perfec-Tone Cornet
        '50 Olds Studio Trombone
        Shofar

        "If it was just up to me, I'd only have trumpet players on my show." - Jackie Gleason

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        • tptguy
          tptguy last edited by

          We used my '74 model 37 light weight body and bell to compare. If it wasn't for the 3rd slide stop, serial number and strange bell script, you would swear it's the real thing, sitting in a section and you couldn't tell if the guy next to you had it in his hands. It also plays/sounds the same(to my ears) and it could weigh a few oz. more also.
          Has the Monel pistons, finger ring and thumb saddle mounts are identical, pinky hook similar but different.

          G.

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          • Newell Post
            Newell Post last edited by

            Hard to tell from just the one photo, but it sounds like a pretty good fake. But a fake nonetheless.

            Bb: Bach 180S37G (05), Mercedes (80)
            Vintage: Committee (54), Recording (59), Super (49), Getzen Severinsen (66)
            C: Kanstul 1510, Constellation
            D/Eb: Getzen Eterna
            Cornet: Schilke XA1, Yamaha Neo Eb
            Flugel: Kanstul 1525, Yamaha 625
            Conch shell in F

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            • Dale Proctor
              Dale Proctor last edited by Dale Proctor

              It’s a real Bach, a model 182 made in their Eastlake, Ohio facility around 2007. The bells read “Handcrafted in the U.S.A”.

              “The Bach Stradivarius model 182 trumpet features a standard weight #37 one piece bell and #25 leadpipe, a lightweight body and a .459” bore. This particular combination, along with traditional Bach design values and classic features, responds quickly and delivers a quality of sound that is distinctly Bach. The instrument outfit includes a genuine gold plated Vincent Bach mouthpiece and a professional classic style case. The instrument is available in bright silver plate.”

              1977 Bach Strad ML 43 trumpet
              1960 Conn 6B Victor trumpet
              1982 Bach Strad ML 239 C trumpet
              1970 Olds Ambassador Eb/D trumpet
              1993 Bach Strad L 184G cornet
              1962 Conn 9A Victor cornet
              1890 Besson A/Bb/C cornet
              1870? Henry Lehnert SARV cornet

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              • tptguy
                tptguy last edited by

                Thank you Dale...of all the strange things about this trumpet( I had never seen a model 182) the serial number starting with 3 zeros was(is) the most concerning to me. But I value your knowledge.
                Tk's again

                G.

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                • J. Jericho
                  J. Jericho Global Moderator @Dale Proctor last edited by

                  @dale-proctor said in Real Strad?:

                  It’s a real Bach, a model 182 made in their Eastlake, Ohio facility around 2007. The bells read “Handcrafted in the U.S.A”.

                  “The Bach Stradivarius model 182 trumpet features a standard weight #37 one piece bell and #25 leadpipe, a lightweight body and a .459” bore. This particular combination, along with traditional Bach design values and classic features, responds quickly and delivers a quality of sound that is distinctly Bach. The instrument outfit includes a genuine gold plated Vincent Bach mouthpiece and a professional classic style case. The instrument is available in bright silver plate.”

                  After reading your post, I found this on eBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/284652696896?epid=8052393000&hash=item42469f7540%3Ag%3ANzkAAOSwwzZiCa2a&nma=true&si=4rhGi5j7KVyF1AJ%252F6wZShPrdhfI%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

                  '62 Olds Studio Trumpet
                  '67 Olds Special Trumpet
                  2013 Dillon Pocket Trumpet
                  '83 Yamaha YFH-731 Flugelhorn
                  1919 York Perfec-Tone Cornet
                  '50 Olds Studio Trombone
                  Shofar

                  "If it was just up to me, I'd only have trumpet players on my show." - Jackie Gleason

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                  • Dale Proctor
                    Dale Proctor @tptguy last edited by

                    @tptguy said in Real Strad?:

                    Thank you Dale...of all the strange things about this trumpet( I had never seen a model 182) the serial number starting with 3 zeros was(is) the most concerning to me. But I value your knowledge.
                    Tk's again

                    G.

                    You’re welcome. Yes, the serial numbers for those didn’t follow the Bach numbering progression, either. They were made during the Elkhart Bach factory strike as a way to maintain a minimal level of production until the strike was settled.

                    1977 Bach Strad ML 43 trumpet
                    1960 Conn 6B Victor trumpet
                    1982 Bach Strad ML 239 C trumpet
                    1970 Olds Ambassador Eb/D trumpet
                    1993 Bach Strad L 184G cornet
                    1962 Conn 9A Victor cornet
                    1890 Besson A/Bb/C cornet
                    1870? Henry Lehnert SARV cornet

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                    • administrator
                      administrator Global Moderator last edited by

                      It's a real Bach, as far as I can tell from the one photo you posted. If you would like to post more, we can discern it more clearly. Everything seems to check out to me.

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