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    • BigDub
      BigDub last edited by

      I have a Bach Tr300 that is in fine condition but is never used except for a back up in emergencies.
      So recently I took it out to just give it a check and found that the third valve stops the air when not depressed. This has never happened to this trumpet or any other for that matter. Ever.
      Yes, I did check the alignment twice, thrice, maybe fourteen times or so, in case you were thinking of asking.
      Any idea what I might check to correct this? It is a decent back up horn, so I want to keep it functional.
      Thanks.

      GETZEN Eterna 900, S.E. Shires C Trumpet, Custom Shires 3c MP, Shires 1 1/2 C MP
      Assorted other mp's not used
      ( not very unusual….right? )

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      • Dr GO
        Dr GO @BigDub last edited by

        @bigdub said in This is strange.:

        I have a Bach Tr300 that is in fine condition but is never used except for a back up in emergencies.
        So recently I took it out to just give it a check and found that the third valve stops the air when not depressed. This has never happened to this trumpet or any other for that matter. Ever.
        Yes, I did check the alignment twice, thrice, maybe fourteen times or so, in case you were thinking of asking.
        Any idea what I might check to correct this? It is a decent back up horn, so I want to keep it functional.
        Thanks.

        Sounds like you may have a back up for a lamp now.

        Allora Pocket Trumpet 2014
        Harrelson Summit 2017
        Kanstul 1526 2012
        Getzen Power Bore 1961
        Getzen Eterna 4-Valve Fulgelhorn 1974
        Martin Committee 1946
        Olds Super Recording 1940
        Olds Recording (LA) 1953
        Olds Recording (Fullerton) 1967
        Olds Ambassador 1965

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        • Kehaulani
          Kehaulani Credentialed Professional last edited by

          Have you run a snake through the third valve slide to make sure there's no obstruction?

          Benge 3X
          Martin Committee
          Getzen Capri Cornet
          Adams F-1 Flugelhorn

          "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn."
          Charlie Parker

          "Even if I could play like Wynton Marsalis, I wouldn't play like Wynton Marsalis."
          Chet Baker

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          • BigDub
            BigDub @Dr GO last edited by

            @dr-go said in This is strange.:

            @bigdub said in This is strange.:

            I have a Bach Tr300 that is in fine condition but is never used except for a back up in emergencies.
            So recently I took it out to just give it a check and found that the third valve stops the air when not depressed. This has never happened to this trumpet or any other for that matter. Ever.
            Yes, I did check the alignment twice, thrice, maybe fourteen times or so, in case you were thinking of asking.
            Any idea what I might check to correct this? It is a decent back up horn, so I want to keep it functional.
            Thanks.

            Sounds like you may have a back up for a lamp now.

            Hurtful. Just hurtful.

            GETZEN Eterna 900, S.E. Shires C Trumpet, Custom Shires 3c MP, Shires 1 1/2 C MP
            Assorted other mp's not used
            ( not very unusual….right? )

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            • BigDub
              BigDub @Kehaulani last edited by

              @kehaulani said in This is strange.:

              Have you run a snake through the third valve slide to make sure there's no obstruction?

              That is something I plan to do, yes. BUT- here is why I am not in a huge hurry to try that: when third valve is depressed, the air goes through just fine.

              GETZEN Eterna 900, S.E. Shires C Trumpet, Custom Shires 3c MP, Shires 1 1/2 C MP
              Assorted other mp's not used
              ( not very unusual….right? )

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              • GeorgeB
                GeorgeB @BigDub last edited by

                @bigdub

                It's probably stupid of me to ask this, but is there a chance that somehow the valves may have got mixed up ?
                George

                1960s King Super 20 Silversonic, 1940 Olds Recording, 1942 Buescher True Tone 400 ,1999 Conn Vintage One Bb trumpet, A 1952 Selmer Paris, A 2020 Getzen 400 and a Manchester Brass ACB custom pro Bb trumpet, a 1962 Conn Victor 5A Cornet.

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                • Dr GO
                  Dr GO @BigDub last edited by

                  @bigdub said in This is strange.:

                  Hurtful. Just hurtful.

                  Depends on which way you turn the on/off switch

                  Allora Pocket Trumpet 2014
                  Harrelson Summit 2017
                  Kanstul 1526 2012
                  Getzen Power Bore 1961
                  Getzen Eterna 4-Valve Fulgelhorn 1974
                  Martin Committee 1946
                  Olds Super Recording 1940
                  Olds Recording (LA) 1953
                  Olds Recording (Fullerton) 1967
                  Olds Ambassador 1965

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                  • barliman2001
                    barliman2001 Global Moderator last edited by

                    Instruments that have been lying around unplayed can get up to quirks of their own... A friend once presented me with a King Tempo cornet that just did not let any air through. Turned out someone in the previous history had stuffed chewing.gum into the tubing, just where the bell leaves #1 valve... another instrument proved to have a wasps' nest inside... and in another, the valve disintegrated into two parts when depressed; when not in use, it was ok... if you've got a proctologist for a friend, let him run his endoscope through the instrument in his leisure hours...

                    Courtois Balanced
                    Courtois D
                    Olds Recording
                    Buescher Aristocrat
                    Gaudet C
                    Selmer G
                    Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
                    Besson International Bb cornet
                    Courtois Bb cornet
                    B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
                    B&H Sovereign trombone
                    Willy Garreis trombone
                    Weltklang Euph

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                    • Shifty
                      Shifty @GeorgeB last edited by

                      @georgeb said in This is strange.:

                      @bigdub

                      It's probably stupid of me to ask this, but is there a chance that somehow the valves may have got mixed up ?
                      George

                      Not stupid to ask. I thought it possible so I tried swapping valves around on my Getzen. Not sure I got all the combinations, but couldn't make it act anything like @bigdub's issue. Of course, different horn...

                      Getzen Eterna 700, Eterna 800
                      Conn Connstellation 28A, Victor 80A, Connqueror (1903)
                      ACB Doubler Flugelhorn

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                      • BigDub
                        BigDub @GeorgeB last edited by

                        @georgeb said in This is strange.:

                        @bigdub

                        It's probably stupid of me to ask this, but is there a chance that somehow the valves may have got mixed up ?
                        George

                        When I put it away last, it was functioning perfectly, but every possibility needs to be checked, therefore I will.

                        GETZEN Eterna 900, S.E. Shires C Trumpet, Custom Shires 3c MP, Shires 1 1/2 C MP
                        Assorted other mp's not used
                        ( not very unusual….right? )

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                        • BigDub
                          BigDub @barliman2001 last edited by

                          @barliman2001 said in This is strange.:

                          Instruments that have been lying around unplayed can get up to quirks of their own... A friend once presented me with a King Tempo cornet that just did not let any air through. Turned out someone in the previous history had stuffed chewing.gum into the tubing, just where the bell leaves #1 valve... another instrument proved to have a wasps' nest inside... and in another, the valve disintegrated into two parts when depressed; when not in use, it was ok... if you've got a proctologist for a friend, let him run his endoscope through the instrument in his leisure hours...

                          All good ideas, but this hasn’t been laid up for that long, really. Not even a year.

                          Let me remind everybody, when I press the third valve all the way, air goes through. Open,, the air cannot pass through.

                          GETZEN Eterna 900, S.E. Shires C Trumpet, Custom Shires 3c MP, Shires 1 1/2 C MP
                          Assorted other mp's not used
                          ( not very unusual….right? )

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                          • Shifty
                            Shifty @BigDub last edited by

                            @bigdub
                            Could the third valve be in backwards? Valve guide installed backwards making it look right?

                            Getzen Eterna 700, Eterna 800
                            Conn Connstellation 28A, Victor 80A, Connqueror (1903)
                            ACB Doubler Flugelhorn

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                            • BigDub
                              BigDub @Shifty last edited by

                              @shifty said in This is strange.:

                              @bigdub
                              Could the third valve be in backwards? Valve guide installed backwards making it look right?

                              Might be something to check, too. Thanks

                              GETZEN Eterna 900, S.E. Shires C Trumpet, Custom Shires 3c MP, Shires 1 1/2 C MP
                              Assorted other mp's not used
                              ( not very unusual….right? )

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                              • J. Jericho
                                J. Jericho Global Moderator @BigDub last edited by

                                @bigdub said in This is strange.:

                                @shifty said in This is strange.:

                                @bigdub
                                Could the third valve be in backwards? Valve guide installed backwards making it look right?

                                Might be something to check, too. Thanks

                                Most valves have a number or numbers stamped on the spring housing. Are they all facing the same way?

                                '62 Olds Studio Trumpet
                                '67 Olds Special Trumpet
                                2013 Dillon Pocket Trumpet
                                '83 Yamaha YFH-731 Flugelhorn
                                1919 York Perfec-Tone Cornet
                                '50 Olds Studio Trombone
                                Shofar

                                "If it was just up to me, I'd only have trumpet players on my show." - Jackie Gleason

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                                • BigDub
                                  BigDub @J. Jericho last edited by

                                  @j-jericho said in This is strange.:

                                  @bigdub said in This is strange.:

                                  @shifty said in This is strange.:

                                  @bigdub
                                  Could the third valve be in backwards? Valve guide installed backwards making it look right?

                                  Might be something to check, too. Thanks

                                  Most valves have a number or numbers stamped on the spring housing. Are they all facing the same way?

                                  I think they are. I will definitely double check that, though.

                                  GETZEN Eterna 900, S.E. Shires C Trumpet, Custom Shires 3c MP, Shires 1 1/2 C MP
                                  Assorted other mp's not used
                                  ( not very unusual….right? )

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                                  • GeorgeB
                                    GeorgeB @BigDub last edited by GeorgeB

                                    @bigdub

                                    If worse comes to worse, Wayne, you are such a realist artist that you ciould just paint yourself a new 3rd valve...😁

                                    1960s King Super 20 Silversonic, 1940 Olds Recording, 1942 Buescher True Tone 400 ,1999 Conn Vintage One Bb trumpet, A 1952 Selmer Paris, A 2020 Getzen 400 and a Manchester Brass ACB custom pro Bb trumpet, a 1962 Conn Victor 5A Cornet.

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                                    • Dr GO
                                      Dr GO @GeorgeB last edited by

                                      @georgeb said in This is strange.:

                                      @bigdub

                                      If worse comes to worse, Wayne, you are such a realist artist that you ciould just paint yourself a new 3rd valve...😁

                                      And if in oils, the valve is slick for a lifetime of playing!

                                      Allora Pocket Trumpet 2014
                                      Harrelson Summit 2017
                                      Kanstul 1526 2012
                                      Getzen Power Bore 1961
                                      Getzen Eterna 4-Valve Fulgelhorn 1974
                                      Martin Committee 1946
                                      Olds Super Recording 1940
                                      Olds Recording (LA) 1953
                                      Olds Recording (Fullerton) 1967
                                      Olds Ambassador 1965

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                                      • BigDub
                                        BigDub @Dr GO last edited by

                                        @dr-go

                                        Great advice, everyone! Glad no one let too much logic get in the way.
                                        That’s always such a buzzkill, anyway.
                                        They will be filed in an appropriate place. Probably circular in shape.

                                        Just kidding. Like some of you…….

                                        GETZEN Eterna 900, S.E. Shires C Trumpet, Custom Shires 3c MP, Shires 1 1/2 C MP
                                        Assorted other mp's not used
                                        ( not very unusual….right? )

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                                        • Newell Post
                                          Newell Post last edited by

                                          It's easy to install Bach valves backwards. Not so with Getzen. That was one of the things I always liked about Getzen.

                                          Bb: Bach 180S37G (05), Mercedes (80)
                                          Vintage: Committee (54), Recording (59), Super (49), Getzen Severinsen (66)
                                          C: Kanstul 1510, Constellation
                                          D/Eb: Getzen Eterna
                                          Cornet: Schilke XA1, Yamaha Neo Eb
                                          Flugel: Kanstul 1525, Yamaha 625
                                          Conch shell in F

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                                          • Newell Post
                                            Newell Post last edited by

                                            ...at my Mom's house in Kansas City for the holidays. (She's 99.) I leave my old Getzen Severinsen here at Mom's house and use it for practice when I am here. Bach Strad is my daily driver, but every time I come to Mom's and play the old Severinsen for a few days, I remember how good those Getzen valves are and how facile that old thing feels.

                                            Bb: Bach 180S37G (05), Mercedes (80)
                                            Vintage: Committee (54), Recording (59), Super (49), Getzen Severinsen (66)
                                            C: Kanstul 1510, Constellation
                                            D/Eb: Getzen Eterna
                                            Cornet: Schilke XA1, Yamaha Neo Eb
                                            Flugel: Kanstul 1525, Yamaha 625
                                            Conch shell in F

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