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    • Dr GO
      Dr GO last edited by

      My weekend contribution to trumpet pedagogy involves medical aspects of trumpet playing. I found this amazingly interesting article that provides some insight as to how to best position the body for trumpet performance, I found it fascinating that just simple aspects of playing the trumpet in the sitting vs standing position demands different roll of the placement of anatomical positions (head related to spin, arm position, leg positions, etc.. Some interesting concepts here. I would love to hear commentary as to how member agree or disagree with some of this concepts. Here is a pdf of the original article. Enjoy!

      https://digitalscholarship.unlv.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3683&context=thesesdissertations

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      • Dr GO
        Dr GO last edited by Dr GO

        An example from this reading: The use of the pinky ring. Here is the position of the author of the article on Body Mapping for Trumpet Players:

        When is pinky ring use necessary?
        In 2 situations is the pinky ring use necessary.

        1. The pinky ring support is necessary during mute changes, plunger mute passages, and fast page turns.
        2. Young players are often tempted to use the pinky ring because it helps them to support the trumpet, however, once supporting the trumpet with the left arm becomes a habit, using the pinky ring can be avoided. A free pinky leads to free fingers and free wrists.

        When is pinky ring use not necessary?

        1. Outside of the above situations, placing the pinky finger in the ring should be avoided.

        Reasoning:
        When the pinky finger is in the ring it encourages pulling the trumpet into the embouchure, restricts movement of the other fingers, and prohibits any rotation at the wrist.

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        • Dale Proctor
          Dale Proctor last edited by

          I’m trying to break the pinky ring habit as we speak, and also paying attention to my posture and breath support while playing. As I’m getting older, I need to stop making things harder than they need to be.

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          • S
            stumac last edited by

            Due to Dupuytrens contracture of both my pinkies I am unable to use a hook, (thanks to the Vikings settling in northern England). I ordered my Jerome Wiss 6/20 without hook.

            The downside is the bell shape precludes the use of standard mutes.

            Regards, Stuart.

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            • GeorgeB
              GeorgeB last edited by

              Starting to play again at 79 after a 50 year layoff has lots of challenges, but as we age proper posture and breathing are more important than ever. Excellent article, Doc. Learned a few new things there, too.

              As for the use of the pinky ring, a great local professional trumpet player taught me most of what I know today about playing the trumpet. Too big things I learned from day one: DON'T PUFF THE CHEEKS and ONLY USE PINKY RING WHEN TURNING PAGES , USING A MUTE, ETC. I tried using the pinky ring just for fun a few times and the results were awful. My hand and fingers felt confined. I could never play that way. The only right hand finger that touches the horn is the thumb as it rests against the first valve casing. The other four fingers float above the valves.

              Thanks for that interesting article, Doc.

              George

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              • Dr GO
                Dr GO @Dale Proctor last edited by

                @dale-proctor said in Body Mapping for Trumpet Players:

                ...As I’m getting older, I need to stop making things harder than they need to be.

                But thank our lucky stars the article didn't discuss the pit falls of getting older! So I believe, Dale, that we are good!👍

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                • J. Jericho
                  J. Jericho Global Moderator @Dr GO last edited by J. Jericho

                  @dr-go said in Body Mapping for Trumpet Players:
                  I would love to hear commentary as to how member agree or disagree with some of this concepts. Here is a pdf of the original article. Enjoy!

                  https://digitalscholarship.unlv.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3683&context=thesesdissertations

                  This study is a nice checklist for achieving a relaxed, comfortable, efficient way to play without unnecessary stress. Thanks for posting it! I suspect that many players automatically do most, and perhaps all, of the suggestions made in the paper, especially if they''re in tune with their own bodies. Explaining why each part of the body is optimized in selected positions is good reinforcement. The mention of a goal for how to use the embouchure and air is a nice addition, too. The suggestions for additional reading are comprehensive and very welcome!

                  In your subsequent post you mentioned the pinky ring. Personally, I use it by default, because I find that doing so positions my fingers for maximum mechanical advantage, and because this has the resultant benefit of introducing the minimum of side force on the valves, prolonging valve life. Other than a valve trill involving an open note and a valved note, which can involve the wrist in playing the trill faster when the pinkie ring is not used, I find no difference in speed and effort in fast passages whether the pinkie ring is used or not. Besides, not having to choose when to use the ring is one less thing to have to deal with, however small this decision may be.

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                  • Dr GO
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                    Just got this back from my employer to use for patients to review in choosing their physician. While not positioning for a trumpet performance, I believe it provides the observer of my position in applying jazz to my medical interactions with patients.

                    Allora Pocket Trumpet 2014
                    Harrelson Summit 2017
                    Kanstul 1526 2012
                    Getzen Power Bore 1961
                    Getzen Eterna 4-Valve Fulgelhorn 1974
                    Martin Committee 1946
                    Olds Super Recording 1940
                    Olds Recording (LA) 1953
                    Olds Recording (Fullerton) 1967
                    Olds Ambassador 1965

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                    • Richard III
                      Richard III @J. Jericho last edited by

                      @j-jericho said in Body Mapping for Trumpet Players:

                      @dr-go said in Body Mapping for Trumpet Players:
                      I would love to hear commentary as to how member agree or disagree with some of this concepts. Here is a pdf of the original article. Enjoy!

                      https://digitalscholarship.unlv.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3683&context=thesesdissertations

                      This study is a nice checklist for achieving a relaxed, comfortable, efficient way to play without unnecessary stress. Thanks for posting it! I suspect that many players automatically do most, and perhaps all, of the suggestions made in the paper, especially if they''re in tune with their own bodies. Explaining why each part of the body is optimized in selected positions is good reinforcement. The mention of a goal for how to use the embouchure and air is a nice addition, too. The suggestions for additional reading are comprehensive and very welcome!

                      In your subsequent post you mentioned the pinky ring. Personally, I use it by default, because I find that doing so positions my fingers for maximum mechanical advantage, and because this has the resultant benefit of introducing the minimum of side force on the valves, prolonging valve life. Other than a valve trill involving an open note and a valved note, which can involve the wrist in playing the trill faster when the pinkie ring is not used, I find no difference in speed and effort in fast passages whether the pinkie ring is used or not. Besides, not having to choose when to use the ring is one less thing to have to deal with, however small this decision may be.

                      Interesting. Lately when going from mute to different mute quickly when playing, my pinky stays in the ring. I've found it to help stabilize the horn on my face and make playing easier.

                      Richard III

                      1977 Olds Ambassador Cornet

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                      • Kehaulani
                        Kehaulani Credentialed Professional last edited by

                        I learned to sit up straight, hold my right hand like it's got a tennis ball in it, and breathe like you're coughing.

                        For those who want to spend time and brain cells studying the minutiae, go for it. 'I'll just hit the shed with time off for Judge Judy. 😁

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