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    • BigDub
      BigDub last edited by

      The question I have is about the staccato notes. They are tied. Then there are qtr rests between them. I realize this is not specifically a trumpet part, but regardless, how would you play these, if asked?

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      GETZEN Eterna 900, S.E. Shires C Trumpet, Custom Shires 3c MP, Shires 1 1/2 C MP
      Assorted other mp's not used
      ( not very unusual….right? )

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      • administrator
        administrator Global Moderator @BigDub last edited by

        @bigdub Separated -- "stacatto", but not "short".

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        • GeorgeB
          GeorgeB @BigDub last edited by

          @bigdub

          Certainly a good question I have never run into it with any of our band arrangements, but the answer can only be as the administrator stated.

          1960s King Super 20 Silversonic, 1940 Olds Recording, 1942 Buescher True Tone 400 ,1999 Conn Vintage One Bb trumpet, A 1952 Selmer Paris, A 2020 Getzen 400 and a Manchester Brass ACB custom pro Bb trumpet, a 1962 Conn Victor 5A Cornet.

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          • Dr GO
            Dr GO last edited by

            Trade off and on with the chair sitting next to me?

            Allora Pocket Trumpet 2014
            Harrelson Summit 2017
            Kanstul 1526 2012
            Getzen Power Bore 1961
            Getzen Eterna 4-Valve Fulgelhorn 1974
            Martin Committee 1946
            Olds Super Recording 1940
            Olds Recording (LA) 1953
            Olds Recording (Fullerton) 1967
            Olds Ambassador 1965

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            • Dr GO
              Dr GO last edited by

              Seriously:

              This is a marking used for string instruments, which can play notes all on the same bowstroke but separated. Piano music may notate this with the intention to imitate strings that is to join the notes but not completely. This is termed portato and is described as an effect midway between legato (smoothly joined) and staccato (completely separated).

              Allora Pocket Trumpet 2014
              Harrelson Summit 2017
              Kanstul 1526 2012
              Getzen Power Bore 1961
              Getzen Eterna 4-Valve Fulgelhorn 1974
              Martin Committee 1946
              Olds Super Recording 1940
              Olds Recording (LA) 1953
              Olds Recording (Fullerton) 1967
              Olds Ambassador 1965

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              • Dr GO
                Dr GO last edited by

                Here is another "How is this possible?" siting more relevant to the trumpet. I was just handed a Michael Buble arrangement "Feeling Good". The chart has 3 (count them) 3 phrases were the ending note is the double high C. This has got to be the highest, chart written note I have experienced. No problem, popped them off like pieces of candy. The sax section at the end of the song announced it was an impressive sound. It was.

                Allora Pocket Trumpet 2014
                Harrelson Summit 2017
                Kanstul 1526 2012
                Getzen Power Bore 1961
                Getzen Eterna 4-Valve Fulgelhorn 1974
                Martin Committee 1946
                Olds Super Recording 1940
                Olds Recording (LA) 1953
                Olds Recording (Fullerton) 1967
                Olds Ambassador 1965

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                • barliman2001
                  barliman2001 Global Moderator last edited by

                  When I was still playing the piano - my mother's instrument of choice, and before I luckily cut one of the nerves in my right hand and was unable to continue - this marking was explained to me as portato, meaning "staccato, but not quite so short", separate notes, but not hacked into the keyboard quite so hard as in staccato proper.

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                  Gaudet C
                  Selmer G
                  Courtois 154 Flugelhorn
                  Besson International Bb cornet
                  Courtois Bb cornet
                  B&H Sovereign Soprano Cornet
                  B&H Sovereign trombone
                  Willy Garreis trombone
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                  • Dale Proctor
                    Dale Proctor last edited by

                    I’ve seen something like that in trumpet music, and was told tied notes with staccato markings were to be soft-tongued with enough emphasis to for two distinct notes to be slightly heard.

                    1977 Bach Strad ML 43 trumpet
                    1960 Conn 6B Victor trumpet
                    1982 Bach Strad ML 239 C trumpet
                    1970 Olds Ambassador Eb/D trumpet
                    1993 Bach Strad L 184G cornet
                    1962 Conn 9A Victor cornet
                    1890 Besson A/Bb/C cornet
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                    • BigDub
                      BigDub @Dale Proctor last edited by

                      @dale-proctor
                      I listened to the piece on YouTube. In my opinion, the effect could easily be accomplished with more conventional notation…
                      But that is just my opinion

                      GETZEN Eterna 900, S.E. Shires C Trumpet, Custom Shires 3c MP, Shires 1 1/2 C MP
                      Assorted other mp's not used
                      ( not very unusual….right? )

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                      • administrator
                        administrator Global Moderator last edited by

                        The ties have the effect of keeping a phrase together, while the dots mean the notes are still separated.

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                        • GeorgeB
                          GeorgeB @Dr GO last edited by GeorgeB

                          @dr-go

                          Double high C ? Wow. I couldn't play DHC in my youth let alone in my mid 80s. And you just popped them off like pieces of candy ??????? My hat is off to you, sir.

                          Our band plays an arrangement of Buble's JUST HAVEN'T MET YOU YET and that is peppered with As and Bs above the staff, but no high C's and certainly no DHCs. Our lead player would have a heart attack if he had to play a DHC.

                          1960s King Super 20 Silversonic, 1940 Olds Recording, 1942 Buescher True Tone 400 ,1999 Conn Vintage One Bb trumpet, A 1952 Selmer Paris, A 2020 Getzen 400 and a Manchester Brass ACB custom pro Bb trumpet, a 1962 Conn Victor 5A Cornet.

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                          • Dr GO
                            Dr GO @GeorgeB last edited by Dr GO

                            @georgeb said in How is this possible?:

                            @dr-go

                            Double high C ? Wow. I couldn't play DHC in my youth let alone in my mid 80s. And you just popped them off like pieces of candy ??????? My hat is off to you, sir.

                            Using my Harrelson Summit with Jason's 5mm Jettone Studio B copy makes this so easy, albeit I was practicing the chart last evening before our concert on Thursday with my Getzen Power bore and the original Jettone Studio B mouthpiece (gifted to me by Maynard Ferguson) and that horn also popped out the DHC's with minimal effort.

                            The wild part about one of the phrases is the last three notes in the phrase is the half note G just above the staff followed by the eight note Bb then double high C whole note. That jump from the G to that Bb is the real challenge. The DHC then just falls into place.

                            Allora Pocket Trumpet 2014
                            Harrelson Summit 2017
                            Kanstul 1526 2012
                            Getzen Power Bore 1961
                            Getzen Eterna 4-Valve Fulgelhorn 1974
                            Martin Committee 1946
                            Olds Super Recording 1940
                            Olds Recording (LA) 1953
                            Olds Recording (Fullerton) 1967
                            Olds Ambassador 1965

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                            • GeorgeB
                              GeorgeB @Dr GO last edited by

                              @dr-go
                              I suppose having the right equipment helps, but an F above high C for me only happens on a good day, so at my age I doubt even a Harrelson Summit would help me get to DHC.

                              Besides, Doc, what videos I've seen of you playing puts you in a professional's chair as far as I'm concerned. I'm just an old recreational player.

                              1960s King Super 20 Silversonic, 1940 Olds Recording, 1942 Buescher True Tone 400 ,1999 Conn Vintage One Bb trumpet, A 1952 Selmer Paris, A 2020 Getzen 400 and a Manchester Brass ACB custom pro Bb trumpet, a 1962 Conn Victor 5A Cornet.

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